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Old 01-22-2009, 12:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Quaife?

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You guys ever consider offering Quaife products and installation services?
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Old 01-22-2009, 10:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I would rather see DDM offering Kaaz LSDs (SuperQ, please) and installations of the same…
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Old 01-22-2009, 10:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I bought a Quaife differential from them but I don't live on the east coast so I had my dealership install it
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What's the difference between the OEM limited-slip differential and the Quaife?
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What's the difference between the OEM limited-slip differential and the Quaife?
Night and Day!

the Quaife is not a LSD, it's a ATB(automatic torque bias) unit. basically it uses gears to send more torque to the wheel with the most grip. It will always give the best torque/power split to the wheel. LSD clutch units are 50/50 split, and once traction is broken, extra torque goes to the path of least resistance...the wheel spinning
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I hope the hot-linked images don't disappear…

And yes, all info is cut & paste from the Kaaz USA website…

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The Normal Differential

As we well know, a race car driver wins races from shaving lap times by cornering faster. Because of this many teams and constructors try to make their cars that can maintain higher cornering speeds.

On every car a basic differential is fitted to distribute the engine's power to the driving wheels. The basic differential gear (Figure 1) supplies the power to the wheels which is/are loaded with least resistance. This allows the car's wheels to run at different speeds in a turn with least resistance.







However, when a car is cornering close to it's limit, the car will exhibit roll, a leaning to one side, causing the inside tire(s) to lose forward traction and lateral grip. The wheels lift and cause excessive spin because of lack of downward force or weight distribution. This wheel spin is useless for acceleration until the tire(s) regain traction and start to translate the power to the ground. Limited Slip Differential (LSD) is needed to alleviate this wheelspin.

Limited Slip Differential

An LSD is constructed similarly to the normal differential (Figure 2).



As you can see, the pressure plate rings have the side gear, the pinion and the pinion gears locked inside and behind each pressure rings are a number of clutch plates. When torque is applied to the differential, the differential case will rotate and throw the pinion into the pressure ring cam. The pressure ring is then pushed out against the clutch plates thereby squeezing them together. This in turn causes the wheels to gradually lock together, depending on the power applied. This effect limits the wheel spin during hard cornering and applies power to the wheels evenly when more power is applied. On acceleration and deceleration, it provides even grip and on neutral power, it frees up for less drag and easier turning.

Different Type of LSD Configurations (1 Way, 1.5 Way & 2 Way)

Some manufacturers make LSD's in different configurations and are commonly classified as 1 way, 1.5 way and 2 way. This designation reflects the design of the cam groove which enables the LSD to function differently under different loads. A 1 way differential means that the cam is shaped in such way as to have positive lock only when accelerating. The 2 way is constructed in a way to have positive lock motion in both acceleration and deceleration mode (Figure 3). The 1.5 way functions almost same as a 2 way but provides less lock when decelerating. The 1.5 way can provide more forgiving balance when braking than a full 2 way setup, although it is less effective for true racing applications, it provides easier operation for beginners in throttle off conditions. 1.5 way is also very effective for front wheel drive cars which need extra stability during braking.







1.Using a 1.5 way LSD is beneficial to most road race vehicles. It locks up both wheels on acceleration but does not have the full locking
capabilities of the 2 way LSD. This allows a much
smoother transition when you are cornering with deceleration.

2.Using a 2 way LSD provides optimum locking wether you are accelerating or decelerating. Perfect for drifers that are looking for full locking balance during corner drifting!


Comparison of LSD

There are many brands and grades of LSD in today's market.

The OEM supplied LSD, standard and optional on many cars today are 2 pinions. This design has very low positive lock and it is designed to provide some sporty feel to the showroom cars. Because of the nature of this low lock design, it is just slightly more effective than not having one at all. Not a choice for true performance drivers.

A performance LSD should have at least 4 pinions. This is the design used for racing and rallies around the world. The positive lock ratio and linear lock characteristics are determined by a number of components. The cam profile, clutch plate quantity and size, initial torque of the preload springs and the lubricants.

A viscous type, torsen type and helical type are some of other designs used as OEM equipment or optional LSD unit. These designs are commonly used since they are less aggressive and easier to maintain than the clutch type racing LSD unit. In order to achieve the maximum traction control, most OEM performance divisions and aftermarket manufactures use the clutch type design for their LSD unit.

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i there an exploded view of our lsd? it would be nice to see where this "pin" they talk about slides down and "clunks" when torque is released....i thought our lsd keeps both tires spinning or doesn't let one just free wheel. besides the clunk and seal(resolved) issue, what is so bad with the stock lsd? I have never been able to find good articles on our lsd, no good pictures of the guts, nothing.
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i there an exploded view of our lsd? it would be nice to see where this "pin" they talk about slides down and "clunks" when torque is released....i thought our lsd keeps both tires spinning or doesn't let one just free wheel. besides the clunk and seal(resolved) issue, what is so bad with the stock lsd? I have never been able to find good articles on our lsd, no good pictures of the guts, nothing.
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Schweet! So how do you like it? Not too many peeps on here give info about their Quaifes.
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Thanks so much for the great diagrams...now I have a better understanding.
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Old 01-25-2009, 11:03 AM   #13 (permalink)
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You guys ever consider offering Quaife products and installation services?
I think this has been answered already, but we do offer them, although they are not up on the website, at least right now, I will get Miss Ivy our webmistress on it though

As for the Kaaz, nothing available for the Solstice/Sky.

We have experience with the Quaifes and they have always been our favorite, and our customers have always been very happy with them installed. There are going to be advantages and disadvantages to both the clutch type set-up (Kaaz) and the gear type (Quaife), and as far as which one is "best" is really going to be a personal preference, if one was so superior, everyone would run one particular type, and that is not the case. For street driven cars the Quaifes work really good, they are reliable and have no chance of wearing out the differential clutch discs like the Kaaz.

Pricing on the Quaife for the the 2.4L and the 2.0L is $1495.00.

More info: AUTOTECH - Quaife Torque Biasing Differentials, Close Ratio Gearkits, Racing Transmissions, Custom Driveline Components
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Schweet! So how do you like it? Not too many peeps on here give info about their Quaifes.
I put a Quaife in my viper three years ago. The biggest differences are the way it keeps the car straight under acceleration. It is also picks up time where you lift the rear wheel in a sharp radius corner or a come back. As a side issue, they have a life time warranty. I have run it consistently with 335 Kumho's on the track and 16" X 13" bias ply M&H slicks at the strip without any reliability issues. This is with over 1,000 ft-lbs of torque.

As a side note, the Dana Super 44's that were in the car had an interesting failure mode. The ring gear bolts loosened and sheared off on a dyno pull. It was quiet and uneventful. When I installed the Quaife, they drilled out the 7/16" ring gear bolt holes and tapped them for 1/2" bolts. They also drilled and wired the bolt heads.

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Old 01-27-2009, 01:11 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Grass Roots magazine has an article on differentils in this months issue's. I knew about Open and LSD but nver knew there were 3 types of LSD 1 way, 1.5 way, and 2 way. I am still trying to really get a hold of this concept, but basically with a 1 way when you accelerate the differential locks up, when you back off it unlocks and the rear wheels uncouple to basically an open state. With a 2 way when you accelerate the differential locks up, but when you decelerate it does not unlock, this is waht most Drift cars run, and would put most of us in the ditch. The 1.5 locks when you accelerate and partially unlocks on decelerateion, I think this is what comes stock in the Solstice. The Kaaz can be set for 1way, 1.5 way and 2 way. My sons drift Goat has a Kaaz and he is at 1.5 way as he learns to Drift working his way to the 2 way setting.
I have read really good things about the Quaife, as well as the OS Giken and Torsen but I think only the Quaife is available for the Solstice
By the way Kaaz does make a differential for one Solstice. The same one that works in the 2004 GTO will work in the Solstice
These are all Kaaz differentials. They are interchangeable between the Solstice and GTO
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