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Old 12-06-2012, 08:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I found this very interesting technology. Basically a live, active network that gives you real time road information.

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Old 12-06-2012, 11:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I've been using radar/laser detectors for quite a while now. Besides typical increases in sensitivity/range, the 2 main improvements to detectors over the years have been GPS technology, and communication. The GPS technology primarily benefits by "learning" falses, and then ignoring them in the future by basically remembering the frequency of the known false and its location with GPS. Thus GPS technology in detectors has helped to cut down on falsing.

This Live technology basically requires you to get a power cord for your detector and to pay a monthly/yearly fee to access a real-time database of radar/laser detection in your vicinity. When your detector or any other detects something, it uploads it to the database in real-time, where it stays there for a set amount of time. If you approach that source, it will alert you, even if it has not detected any actual radar/laser itself.

The main problem with such a system is that it relies on heavy usership in your area. If you live in an area like Virginia, or most of Canada where detectors are illegal, you won't get much benefit out of Live. Furthermore, if you live in a more rural setting, I also find simply as a result of fewer cars on the road and less density, statistically, you're simply less likely to be sharing the road with other detector users that have this service/feature.

Worst of all, it comes with a monthly/yearly fee to access that database.

However, if you live in a relatively major metropolitan area, where detectors are legal, and usership is high, Live is excellent.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for the feedback. I have a detecter in the three vehicles I drive. I picked up the current Excort GPS unit last year and have been taking advantage of the periodic updates to the database. My experience has been positive but when I learned that I can take advantage of real time updates, that was very cool. The sale price now for the blue tooth / display / control module plus a year of service is $75 which looked like a great deal to me.
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Thanks for the feedback. I have a detecter in the three vehicles I drive. I picked up the current Excort GPS unit last year and have been taking advantage of the periodic updates to the database. My experience has been positive but when I learned that I can take advantage of real time updates, that was very cool. The sale price now for the blue tooth / display / control module plus a year of service is $75 which looked like a great deal to me.
I have a 4+ year old Escort Redline, and a less than a year old Beltronics STi Magnum. I got the STi because about a year ago, the Redline starting displaying "Service Required" needing their $100 typical service, or get an $80 credit towards a trade in. I loved the Redline, but its ramp up was TERRIBLE. And I needed a undetectable detector so I had to go with the STi, and I'm so glad I did. It's essentially the same hardware as the Redline, but it has so much better ramp up. But right now, they have a $140 tune up service that doubles the warranty to a full year instead of 6 months, you get bumped to the front of the line for the service compared to those that paid got the standard $100 service, new case, accessories, smart cup, and most of all, a Live smart cord, and a year of Live.

I was content to continue using the STi, but at that price, I'd love to have an essentially brand new Redline with a free year of Live. I'll continue using the STi in the daily driver like this:



And will mount the Redline rear facing off the silver "tulip" panel with Live otherwise. But in my area I'd be surprised to see any usership, which is why I will likely NOT renew the Live service after the free year is up unless I unexpectedly move. I only really see K and Ka in my area, and laser only if I go to a neighboring area so I don't see much improved detection on radar, but with a dedicated front and rear facing laser detector now, I'm hoping rear laser detection will be VASTLY improved.

The only thing I haven't mentioned yet is, you need a smart phone to use Live.

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Old 12-06-2012, 02:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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We live just south of the Denver metro area. A typical drive goes thorugh three counties with three sets of Sheriff cars trolling for dollars. There are Parker police, Lone Tree police, Littleton . . . they are out there competing for our dollars. And as if that were not enough fun the Colorado State Patrol is trolling all the freeways (big users of Laser) and Aurora cops patrol E 470 to suppliment the city coffers.

Its not unusual to get hit with K, Ka and multiple Lasers on a single 10 mile trip to the mall.
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Rob.... Carbon Sky's assessment of Escort Live is spot on. I am a charter member of the Escort Live users. I use the 9500ix coupled up to my ZR4 (laser shifter) with Escort Live. Two September's ago Texas outlawed the use of the the ZR4 making the Escort Live our only defense against the Laser systems. The apps, both Android and Iphone, still has a few quirks in them, but, over all it's better than running without anything.
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:03 PM   #7 (permalink)
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We live just south of the Denver metro area. A typical drive goes thorugh three counties with three sets of Sheriff cars trolling for dollars. There are Parker police, Lone Tree police, Littleton . . . they are out there competing for our dollars. And as if that were not enough fun the Colorado State Patrol is trolling all the freeways (big users of Laser) and Aurora cops patrol E 470 to suppliment the city coffers.

Its not unusual to get hit with K, Ka and multiple Lasers on a single 10 mile trip to the mall.
I used to live in the city core, where I faced laser regularly, as well as Ka. The only local law enforcement using K are the OPP or I guess like state police compared to local. They patrol the high way mostly with constant on K.

Since I've moved away from the city, there is no laser in my area. There is a major highway where they do use it though, but in the opposite direction of where I travel regularly.

If I saw more laser, I'd get a shifter/jammer whatever you wanna call it. A setup to protect either the front or back end is about $500 or $1000 front and back, but essentially jams all laser out there right now.

My most common kind of contact is oncoming constant on Ka with the occasional speed trap with the cop park perpendicular at the edge of the road shooting Ka out his window.
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Rob.... Carbon Sky's assessment of Escort Live is spot on. I am a charter member of the Escort Live users. I use the 9500ix coupled up to my ZR4 (laser shifter) with Escort Live. Two September's ago Texas outlawed the use of the the ZR4 making the Escort Live our only defense against the Laser systems. The apps, both Android and Iphone, still has a few quirks in them, but, over all it's better than running without anything.
The whole point of using the shifters is that you only jam long enough to get to the speed limit, then turn them off and let it acquire your speed. It's not unusual for an operator to not get a tag on the first hit right away, especially depending on distance, size of car, how reflective its design is, large flat chrome surfaces, etc. So legal or not, if you use shifters as you should, and allow them to acquire your speed after you get it down to the limit, you'll be fine.
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The whole point of using the shifters is that you only jam long enough to get to the speed limit, then turn them off and let it acquire your speed. It's not unusual for an operator to not get a tag on the first hit right away, especially depending on distance, size of car, how reflective its design is, large flat chrome surfaces, etc. So legal or not, if you use shifters as you should, and allow them to acquire your speed after you get it down to the limit, you'll be fine.
Your so right again, well almost. Lets see, I drive a black car (the hardest color to read), have "Vailed" (another topic) the Pontiac symbol, headlights, turn signal lights, and reflective stickers on the windshield. And as you correctly suggested, I never Jam to the gun. So why did I have an Oklahoma (also like TX - shifters are illegal) Sheriff chase me down and show me his brand new laser gun that can detect you are shifting/jamming them. I was at 65 when I turned the shifters off. As luck would have it, this officer had not received training on the gun and I convinced him the 75 mph lock he got must have been because of "sweep". He let me go!!!!
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Your so right again, well almost. Lets see, I drive a black car (the hardest color to read), have "Vailed" (another topic) the Pontiac symbol, headlights, turn signal lights, and reflective stickers on the windshield. And as you correctly suggested, I never Jam to the gun. So why did I have an Oklahoma (also like TX - shifters are illegal) Sheriff chase me down and show me his brand new laser gun that can detect you are shifting/jamming them. I was at 65 when I turned the shifters off. As luck would have it, this officer had not received training on the gun and I convinced him the 75 mph lock he got must have been because of "sweep". He let me go!!!!
It's because you're using ZR4s, which are known to be very poor shifters. I didn't want to mention it at first, but since you're asking. ZR4s are VERY old technology now, and weren't that impressive when they first came out. They could jam some laser guns, but not the better ones, and when it did, it threw jam codes on those guns.

However, Laser Interceptor makes much more powerful jammers with better sensors, more powerful jamming LEDs, and most importantly, don't throw a jam code.

And even if you have LIs, and don't throw a jam code, you have to be weary as it seems a lot of times cops catch detector users or jammer users because of the tell tale hard on the brakes natural reaction when all hell breaks loose and every countermeasure you have screams LASER at you.

Countermeasures won't make you ticket immune, they just give you better situational awareness afterall.
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Carbon Sky... Thanks for the good info. You need a like button.
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You guys are obviously up to speed on the new technology being used on both sides. Do you have a top 5 list of radar detectors you would like to share. I'm actually in the market for one but haven't had a lot of time to research. Are there any good values in the $200 range?
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Where are you located, are counter measures like detectors legal in your area? If they are not legal, you MUST run something like an Escort Redline, or a Beltronics STi Magnum as they are undetectable by Spectre I and II which is a radar detector detector. If that is not an issue, you have a lot more options. The V1 is a venerable favorite. It has the famous arrows that V1 people rave about. But is not undetectable. Great unit, can't really knock it other than the detectability part. The 9500ix is another good detector, but again is detectable. All the units I have listed all are about just under $500 brand new, from the distributor with a 1 year warranty. If you get lucky with sales and timing, you can usually pick one up for about $400, legit, with a warranty etc.

I don't really know of any detector I would recommend in the $200 range. More often than not they just annoy you more than they detect by picking up too many falses, and don't have the performance/sensitivity/signal segmentation to be an effective detector. Not that they won't occasionally help you out, but it's REALLY hit or miss in that range.

Hell you can spend $1000 on detectors and jammers, and at the end of the day, a cop with a Ka radar gun, using it instant on, is still unstoppable, and that's quite common.

But the ones I listed are a good start for research. There are many radar detector forums out there with a lot of extensive knowledge and testing.

Oh, and I personally would not suggest buying used. First of all, even used, they go for like $300-350 regularly. And if there is a problem and you need to have it serviced (which again is quite common for units coming up on 5 years old) that's another $100-140 or so. And by then you could have bought a new one legit from the beginning. But yah if you can score a good enough deal on a used one, wouldn't hurt to pick it up and have it serviced, but that is rare.

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Thanks for the info CS...I'm in Montana so the counter measures are legal but I'd like to get something that will be useful no matter where I travel. I'll take a look at the models you suggested.
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Another option for you guys is running a traffic / navigation app on your smartphone - such as WAZE. It works quite well in urban areas where the density of users is actually large enough to be useful (since the app relies on feedback from users to generate its database). Of course the usefulness drops as you get further away from the big city and the number of users drops ... but considering the app is free, I can't really complain. Heck, I don't even use it for the navigation functions anymore - just for info on accidents / police / traffic congestion.
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