I wouldn't be happy, but that sort of thing happens all of the time. For instance, if you purchase a residence in certain communities, you may be restrained to the type of vehicle you can park in the driveway, the drapes that must appear in the front windows, the age requirements of the occupants or how often you need to mow the lawn.
The bailout was negotiated while Bush was still president.
Bush was NOT responsible for the auto bailouts. He did however champion a $300+ billion dollar bailout for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Probably he stupidest thing he's ever done in his life...
But you can't say Bush was responsible for the auto bail-out... no matter how much you think it's going to get support of the right, or quiet them up.
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The Idea to reduce fuel consumption is not a left wing or right wing agenda. It is a plan to reduce foreign oil consumption so that our sons and daughters don't have to fight and die in an oil war.
Have you actually looked into the research that is happening now or did you accept the lying BS without finding out the truth for yourself?
Have you? The batteries in these Toyota Prius and Honda Hybrid vehicles are more damaging to the environment than a 74 Dodge Diplomat being driven for 300,000 miles. The entire process of refining those deep cycle batteries starts in Canada, goes literally around the world twice, and then comes back to the US. The damage from the refining / manufacturing, as well as the fuel used to transport the supplies, is horrendous.
Not to mention that these vehicles don't even actuall get 40 miles to the gallon unless you live in moderate temperature. If you live in upstate NY, where it's 50 degrees or below for 60% of the year, you're averaging in the 20s.
I HAVE done my research, and when Ford releases the ECOnetic Diesel motor in the Ford Fiesta in late 2010... I'll be buying one. It gets 72mpg (imperial) / ~65 mpg US currently in Europe. It's a simple, no nonsense diesel motor...
These aren't made up numbers, this is what people in Europe are getting now.... and that's what I'm going to get.
Self proclaimed environmentalist "experts" are usually so stupid, that they don't even consider the damage this technology wreaks on the environment just getting it to the showroom floor.
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Have to agree with 82-T/A on batteries. The "Greenies" as I like to call those mutten-headed morons have no ability to look at the life-cycle of anything. They are the epitome of the 20-second attention-span generation. Look at the long-term effort that went into getting lead (Pb) out of gasoline, and now they want to substitute lead (Pb) for combustion fuel completely! Not to mention the sulfuric acid!
Hybrids are potentially MORE dangerous than conventionally fueled vehicles because gasoline and sulfuric acid are hypergolic. Look it up: it means the two will ignite no matter what the conditions.
Then there's the whole methodology of recycling lead-acid batteries...
The Idea to reduce fuel consumption is not a left wing or right wing agenda. It is a plan to reduce foreign oil consumption so that our sons and daughters don't have to fight and die in an oil war. It is not left or right to want to make our air cleaner to breathe. It will benefit the remaining heavy gas users by lowering the demand and the cost when the fuel consumption is reduced by the green tech users.
The Pontiac/Saturn LNF 2.0T is a prime example of what can be accomplished to reduce foreign oil consumption. It has the power of a V8 while having the economy of an efficient 4 cylinder.
Have you actually looked into the research that is happening now or did you accept the lying BS without finding out the truth for yourself?
Well..it is far leftwing politics and policies in just how Obama and congress want to accomplish all those things...and what they consider our top priorities. There is great effort to hurry up and push through these policies no matter the cost or even the condition of the economy. The same extreme Liberal agenda that the far left has tried to push through for decades. Now seems prime time for them to do just that...reguardless of more monumental spending. Continued spending of trillions...cap and trade...."Free"healthcare...GREEN and
a mirade of other radical plans. All to be paid for by "taxing the rich"(?). The ramifications of the true cost of these plans are poo pooed that this simply must be done...and done now! Carbon tax...new energy grid...all green..no matter the cost of support systems or the effect on business or average tax payers...or even the difficult transition to make it work . Little to no consideration of any other alternatives except for their plans. Anything but this agenda "is" and must be lying BS..as you put it. Even Al Gore claims any argument about Global Warming is over.
Like I said before...the public better buy the green machines...and these lberal plans...that is "if" they really have the choice. It won't come cheap for any of us.
...but like one glazed eyed Obama supporter cheered "He's gonna gimmee a house..a car...and fill my gas tank!".
Again...most voted for the man...got the other bums out. Not for all the extreme Liberal policies waiting in the background. In my view..it is becoming much more than most bargained for. Have you actually looked behind the curtain at the Liberal agenda....or just remain content with an Obama nation..no matter what. Never mind..it's obvious.....
Have to agree with 82-T/A on batteries. The "Greenies" as I like to call those mutten-headed morons have no ability to look at the life-cycle of anything. They are the epitome of the 20-second attention-span generation. Look at the long-term effort that went into getting lead (Pb) out of gasoline, and now they want to substitute lead (Pb) for combustion fuel completely! Not to mention the sulfuric acid!
Hybrids are potentially MORE dangerous than conventionally fueled vehicles because gasoline and sulfuric acid are hypergolic. Look it up: it means the two will ignite no matter what the conditions.
Then there's the whole methodology of recycling lead-acid batteries...
Yeah, that's safe on so many levels!!!
If I may, I'm going to brag about myself, with respect to environmentalism.
I "AM" an environmentalist. I've got a 4.5 ton A/C unit in my home, where it only requires a 3.5. I've got a super efficient tank wanter heater from Whirlpool. For what it's worth, I donated my old A/C unit and my old water heater (no waste). 99% of the lights in my home are compact flourescent. They are the LOW MERCURY ones from GE. I have "timer" switches on all my bathrooms and closets because my wife forgets to turn them off. That means you select the amount of time you want the light to be on, and it shuts itself off after that. I have extremely low-flow faucet aerators, low-flow shower heads, a 1.28 gpf toilet in the guest bathroom and a 1.6 gpf toilet in the master bathroom. I've got double insulation in my attic, and then sealed with wood panels that are left over from my home addition (less construction waste in the landfill). I've sealed every square centimeter of my A/C box so I get 100% A/C efficiency. I took a smoke candle to every hole to see where the air was escaping and sealed them up. I have double pane windows on the home addition. I catch rain-water in a rain barrel and use it to water my plants. I've got a massive compost container in the backyard, and I save all my kitchen scraps and coffee grinds. I use 100% biodegradeable trash backs and kitchen scrap bags. I recycle everything I can, and know all the codes. I don't ever use fertilizers in my backard, I use cypress mulch, and I never bag my grass (just mulch it). My property is a member of the Florida Yards Program (Florida Friendly Landscaping, Florida Plants, Florida Gardening, Lawn Care), all of my plants are draught tolerant, and native Florida plants. My property is also a certified wildlife habitat by the National Wildlife Federation (National Wildlife Federation).
Although I personally think what I've accomplished in my home is awesome, most people might not care. But I'd just like this guy to know the kind of people who he's talking to before he gives a speech about the environment, and what's best for it.
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If I may, I'm going to brag about myself, with respect to environmentalism.
I "AM" an environmentalist. I've got a 4.5 ton A/C unit in my home, where it only requires a 3.5. I've got a super efficient tank wanter heater from Whirlpool. For what it's worth, I donated my old A/C unit and my old water heater (no waste). 99% of the lights in my home are compact flourescent. They are the LOW MERCURY ones from GE. I have "timer" switches on all my bathrooms and closets because my wife forgets to turn them off. That means you select the amount of time you want the light to be on, and it shuts itself off after that. I have extremely low-flow faucet aerators, low-flow shower heads, a 1.28 gpf toilet in the guest bathroom and a 1.6 gpf toilet in the master bathroom. I've got double insulation in my attic, and then sealed with wood panels that are left over from my home addition (less construction waste in the landfill). I've sealed every square centimeter of my A/C box so I get 100% A/C efficiency. I took a smoke candle to every hole to see where the air was escaping and sealed them up. I have double pane windows on the home addition. I catch rain-water in a rain barrel and use it to water my plants. I've got a massive compost container in the backyard, and I save all my kitchen scraps and coffee grinds. I use 100% biodegradeable trash backs and kitchen scrap bags. I recycle everything I can, and know all the codes. I don't ever use fertilizers in my backard, I use cypress mulch, and I never bag my grass (just mulch it). My property is a member of the Florida Yards Program (Florida Friendly Landscaping, Florida Plants, Florida Gardening, Lawn Care), all of my plants are draught tolerant, and native Florida plants. My property is also a certified wildlife habitat by the National Wildlife Federation (National Wildlife Federation).
Although I personally think what I've accomplished in my home is awesome, most people might not care. But I'd just like this guy to know the kind of people who he's talking to before he gives a speech about the environment, and what's best for it.
I think it is awesome as well..and cogratulate you on those efforts.
Well done.
Next car I buy will be a Ford, provided they are not government owned by then. I don't care how 'ugly' it is. If they are even partially owned by the government, well, I'll buy used from here on out.
They'll have to change the 'Welcome to the USA' signs to 'Welcome to the USSA' now...
GMAC is majority owned by Cerberus, who are the the majority owners of Chrysler or at least were before the bailout. As part of the original bailout deal with GM the minority stake that GM holds is supposed to be rolled off to Cerberus over the next year or so though I don't know the exact terms. GMAC, around New Years, petitioned the government for its own bailout under TARP and a conversion to a bank holding company in exchange for its own debt restructuring (same kind of deal as with the auto makers - bondholders took a haircut in exchange for some equity and new debt). Thus, the net result is that GMAC is now technically a bank, has been bailed out under TARP, is raising capital on its own through new depositors and credit markets, is majority owned by Cerberus, and will continue to be consolidated under Cerberus as GM rolls off its ownership.
I have not seen anything so far to suggest that the Feds are going to convert their preferred TARP shares in GMAC to common stock, but the possibility always exists under TARP. Likewise I have not seen anything suggesting that the Feds will meddle with GMAC operations in light of the other takeovers. As far as anyone knows GMAC will simply have a solid contractual relationship with Chrysler and GM to provide financial services in addition to their other business (e.g. GMAC banking, GMAC mortgage, etc.).
The Idea to reduce fuel consumption is not a left wing or right wing agenda. It is a plan to reduce foreign oil consumption so that our sons and daughters don't have to fight and die in an oil war.
Perhaps you would care to provide some facts about these so called oil wars that our sons and daughters are fighting in? Someone has been listening to too many CNN headlines again. Afghanistan - oil? (here's a hint - heroin comes from it). Pakistan (yeah, we're going to get dragged further into that country if we're not careful) - nope, no oil there. How much oil are we getting from Iraq?
Here's the breakdown for 2007 of where US oil comes from:
North America 33.56%
Africa 19.95%
Middle East 17.05%
South America 15.98%
Europe 11.54%
Asia 1.86%
Oceania 0.06%
For the Middle East, maybe 30% of the 17.05% number comes from Iraq. Here's a link to a website with the break down:
The point is, the US oil supply is spread across the globe, which means it is largely secure from regional skirmishes. A shutdown in one area would not bring the US to it's knees. So our armed forces are not fighting in oil wars.
Perhaps you would care to provide some facts about these so called oil wars that our sons and daughters are fighting in? Someone has been listening to too many CNN headlines again. Afghanistan - oil? (here's a hint - heroin comes from it). Pakistan (yeah, we're going to get dragged further into that country if we're not careful) - nope, no oil there. How much oil are we getting from Iraq?
Here's the breakdown for 2007 of where US oil comes from:
North America 33.56%
Africa 19.95%
Middle East 17.05%
South America 15.98%
Europe 11.54%
Asia 1.86%
Oceania 0.06%
For the Middle East, maybe 30% of the 17.05% number comes from Iraq. Here's a link to a website with the break down:
The point is, the US oil supply is spread across the globe, which means it is largely secure from regional skirmishes. A shutdown in one area would not bring the US to it's knees. So our armed forces are not fighting in oil wars.
I already stated that there were oil wars. Since it is obvious you don't believe me, Please tell us what the wars are for.
I already stated that there were oil wars. Since it is obvious you don't believe me, Please tell us what the wars are for.
Don't do it. You'll never change his perspective.
It'll just drag on into another long tit for tat thread of .."I know more about it than you do"....Bush this...Cheney that. Nothing to do with Government Ownership and control that's materializing now. Please......I beg you....
The point is, the US oil supply is spread across the globe, which means it is largely secure from regional skirmishes. A shutdown in one area would not bring the US to it's knees. So our armed forces are not fighting in oil wars.
So, passenger cars are only responsible for 15% of US greenhouse gas emissions, that hasn't stopped our government from politicizing that industry either. Clamping down on the largest source of emissions, residential energy use just won't get anyone elected!
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