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Had a Strange issue yesterday

Well it started shortly after I bounced the 6.0 LS off the rev limiter on a bad 2-3 shift on the way to lunch, no issues on the short drive to lunch, but when I went to start the car to go back to work it would not turn over, and the Check Engine Light was on. The weirdness started when I left the ignition switch in run, and moved the steering wheel left & right a couple of times with the clutch pedal engaged the car started without moving the ignition switch to start!
The engine ran fine on the way back to work but the CE light was still on. The a few hours later when I went to leave work the car would not turn over again, no amount of turning the steering wheel this time had any effect. I had a couple of coworkers handy to push start the car, started up with the CE Light on, no other lights on. Drove home with no issues, and seemed to run fine.
I then tried to hook up my old OBD-2 code checker it would power up, but when I tried to scan the codes it kept coming up with "can not connect to car" "check connections and try again" this scanner worked with my 1997 Firebird, & 1999 Grand prix. But may not me compatible with the Solstice?





Well the car started normally after I arrived home, with the CE light on. So in frustration I pulled the battery Positive cable, that reset the CE light, the car now starts & drives Normally with no CE light. The car is a Mallet converted LS2, with a Ken Kelly Tune. I have 2 questions

(1) Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

(2) What scan tools are you using? Any suggestions on a new one?

Any suggestions always welcome

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You have to see what years your OBDII scanner works for and if it can be updated (online with software). Some of the newer ones like I have can be. But I have an LS3 conversion with the Ken Kelly Tune. I know the scanner I have can read all the codes and abs codes if need be. (Since I have ABS on my car). I got mine from harbor Frieght for like $169 dollars. It is a Centech model. Its been good for reading and some very minor diagnostics. Can't say I experience what you have, but I have had some of my own strange experiences that I working to debug. One is related to the ABS model. I working to get that switched out to see if that helps. But the key thing is to find out the code if it ever happens again.

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It sounds like you have a problem with the ignition switch and its steering wheel lock. Has the ignition switch replacement been done?

When you engage the starter you can release the key to the run position and the engine will crank until it starts or for some set length of time. If the run contact was not made, but the start contact was, the timer circuit may have latched in waiting for the run circuit to supply power. If you had waited a few more seconds the timer may have timed out and not allowed it to "self-start".

I have had trouble with some OBDII devices not working with the Sky when I first got it. As I recall, the CAN protocol was first used by GM just as the Kappa was introduced, and some things were not compatible. I use a DashDAQ and a TechII, both newer than the car.

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Thanks for the responses, yes the ignition switch recall was done in November 2016, looks like I may have to do some research to see if my scanner is CAN protocol compatable or not. If not looks like I am buying a new scan tool, I need to get one for our 2009 G8, and 2012 F-150 anyway.

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If the scanner is pre-2006 you will almost certainly need a new one. The switch to CAN, in addition to changing the software, also changed the hardware, and additional (or maybe different) connector pins are now used.

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If you are experiencing an electrical problem it would be best to have a known good battery, clean battery clamps, and tight, corrosion free ground connections. Doing this appears to solve many electrical issues reported in this forum.

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Battery is new AC Delco in Feb, no corrosion on terminals, but thanks for the thought.

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Early on I had a problem with Punisher where it shut down and displayed the a message that the temperature inputs did not agree and the car could not determine what the temperature was so it was shutting down as a precaution. I pulled the battery cable and reset it. That was 5? years ago and it has never reoccurred. The car starts and runs normally.

I think its the spirits that come with the Ken Kelly tunes.

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Early on I had a problem with Punisher where it shut down and displayed the a message that the temperature inputs did not agree and the car could not determine what the temperature was so it was shutting down as a precaution. I pulled the battery cable and reset it. That was 5? years ago and it has never reoccurred. The car starts and runs normally.

I think its the spirits that come with the Ken Kelly tunes.
Rob you may have something there! LOL!!!!!

Good news is after receiving my new OBDII Code reader I was able to connect to the car, found no stored or current codes, and the strange no start issue or the Check Engine light has not reoccurred. Fingers crossed it was just an infrequent glitz.

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Well the no Start condition (starter not turning over) has reappeared a couple of times, and I have now noticed it only happens when the car is hot. But only a few times. I am suspecting the starter is on the way out.

Question for V8 Kappa owners, what brand P/N Starter do you have? Any advice welcome. I do plan on taking the starter off, and inspecting the wiring and conections before ordering a new one.

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I've occasionally had an issue with no-start. Turn the key and nothing happens ... no clicking or anything. In my case, I've found that jiggling the stick shift left and right firmly a couple times takes care of it. I suspect neutral safety switch or something like that, but haven't dug further since it's only occasional and banging the shifter back and forth resolves it. I think I also saw that some users had a similar issue some time ago and a flaky connection on a relay or circuit board under the dash was at fault if I remember correctly.

EDIT: Did a little searching and refreshed my memory a bit ... I think it was an issue with the harness connector to the BCM that caused a similar issue. Below is a thread where it was first discussed, but I keep thinking there was another thread where others had the problem and narrowed down the connection issue more specifically. Hopefully you get lucky and it just takes a little jiggling like mine.

ECOTEC Computer Problems- A Must-read !!!

Also, if you just need a quick code read until you get a reader update, most any of the big chain auto parts stores will do it for free these days.

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Thanks for the link, I did buy a new code reader, and there are no stored codes. I did try cycling both the clutch pedal, and wiggling the shifter several times. The only thing that seems to do it is to let the car sit for about an hour, cool off then it starts.

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