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Old 11-23-2008, 12:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Unlock door with key = Alarm goes off?

My keyless entry has been acting up and only works sometimes. I stand there outside my car looking like an idiot pushing the button over and over again for 2 minutes until it finally decides it will work. Doubt it's the battery as I just got my sol in February. Oh well, that's another issue and I'll have to take that up with the dealer.

If I get tired of waiting for it to work, I just use the key to unlock the door. Problem is, I unlock the door, then when I open it, the alarm starts going off. This is the factory alarm, not an aftermarket. It keeps beeping the horn (like when you hit the panic button) until I start the engine.

Is this normal behavior? Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 11-23-2008, 12:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes, the alarm going off when you unlock with the key is normal if you armed the alarm with the key fob on locking the doors.

Even though you have had the car for less than a year it could be the battery. Does this happen with both key fobs?
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Old 11-23-2008, 12:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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There have been many discussions of the connections in a fob coming unsoldered. Have you tried the other one?
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Old 11-23-2008, 01:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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My other fob/key was lost by an aftermarket place that I had do an install. They went out of business before they could replace it. >

I'll have to just take it in to the dealer I suppose. Thanks for the info!
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:16 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I would bet it's the solder on the key fob. My extra one was acting funny and I noticed the solder had come loose when I was trying to change the battery.
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Old 11-23-2008, 05:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Solder, battery, whatever. I have the same issue and need to fix it.

But what is the logic behind that alarm going off in these circumstances? So what if you used the fob to lock it? Why alarm when a key is used later to open the door? Absolutely totally *&%$ing lame!
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Old 11-23-2008, 06:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
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"Absolutely totally *&%$ing lame!"

Not lame at all, actually. Mechanical locks like the one in your door are remarkably easy to defeat (ask any locksmith or tow truck driver). When the door is unlocked with the key, the security system can't tell the difference between that and the lock being picked or someone using a "slimjim". The system is therefore programmed to set off the alarm and the starting and ignition systems remain disabled until it senses that a proper key, with the appropriate RFID chip, has been inserted into the ignition switch. It's there to help protect your car from being stolen, I wouldn't call that lame at all.
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"Absolutely totally *&%$ing lame!"

Not lame at all, actually. Mechanical locks like the one in your door are remarkably easy to defeat (ask any locksmith or tow truck driver). When the door is unlocked with the key, the security system can't tell the difference between that and the lock being picked or someone using a "slimjim". The system is therefore programmed to set off the alarm and the starting and ignition systems remain disabled until it senses that a proper key, with the appropriate RFID chip, has been inserted into the ignition switch. It's there to help protect your car from being stolen, I wouldn't call that lame at all.

Some people complain about anything.......... If it was an expensive aftermarket alarm, then it would be OK,,,,,,,,even though you have to disarm the alarm with it's remote and then use your KEY to open the door....But it not, it was included with the car, sooooooo, be happy. Just because the car did not cost $80.000 plus and it's name starts with POr,,,Lambo, Ferr,,,
Stop trying to find fault with every aspect of the car. It has it's problems, but so does the expensive cars..
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm having the same issue with both my key fobs...I'll be bringing it up to the dealer when I get a moment to run there.
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:35 AM   #10 (permalink)
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"Absolutely totally *&%$ing lame!"

Not lame at all, actually. Mechanical locks like the one in your door are remarkably easy to defeat (ask any locksmith or tow truck driver). When the door is unlocked with the key, the security system can't tell the difference between that and the lock being picked or someone using a "slimjim". The system is therefore programmed to set off the alarm and the starting and ignition systems remain disabled until it senses that a proper key, with the appropriate RFID chip, has been inserted into the ignition switch. It's there to help protect your car from being stolen, I wouldn't call that lame at all.
I see what you’re saying, and thanks for the input. But keep in mind we are driving convertibles. Preventing entry is impossible. It is easy to get into this car without using a slimjim or opening a door. Security for this car is a matter of preventing unauthorized individuals from starting it or removing things like head units.

But I guess my issue is with the alarm algorithm. When a “non-fob” entry has occurred, why immediately blast the alarm? On some thread I saw someone mentioned about a “chirp” that warns you that the alarm will go off unless you take action (like puting the key in the ignition). I didn’t get a chirp. Just an embarrassing racket. Maybe because I unlocked the passenger door first?

BTW, some on this site advise AGAINST locking the car. That way if some jerk sees a trinket on the front seat that he wants, hopefully he’ll just take it and leave your top intact. But locking the doors has become second nature for many of is – hard habit to break.
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Some people complain about anything.......... If it was an expensive aftermarket alarm, then it would be OK,,,,,,,,even though you have to disarm the alarm with it's remote and then use your KEY to open the door....But it not, it was included with the car, sooooooo, be happy. Just because the car did not cost $80.000 plus and it's name starts with POr,,,Lambo, Ferr,,,
Stop trying to find fault with every aspect of the car. It has it's problems, but so does the expensive cars..
Whoa there big fella! Yes, my self censored exasperation was probably a little over the top and I apologize if I offended anyone. But easy with the generalizations! If you’ll look at my posts you’ll see I am not an example of “some people complain about anything.” So I don’t think I have to “stop trying to find fault with every aspect of the car”. I appreciate you sticking up for the Solstice, but believe me, in this case you were preaching to the converted. It's a great car - security system and all!
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Whoa there big fella! Yes, my self censored exasperation was probably a little over the top and I apologize if I offended anyone. But easy with the generalizations! If you’ll look at my posts you’ll see I am not an example of “some people complain about anything.” So I don’t think I have to “stop trying to find fault with every aspect of the car”. I appreciate you sticking up for the Solstice, but believe me, in this case you were preaching to the converted. It's a great car - security system and all!
Sorry, I did not mean to offend either.

And as far as the other post where someone said that people are leaving cars unlocked to keep the damage down. This is just what the theives want, no sound of breaking glass or car alarms going off.
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It's all good. Thanks for the reply JewJenk.

So now that I've hijacked this thread beyond all recognition (sorry djlaptop!) here's a question for the group...

Is a car with obvious styling mods more or less likely to be stolen? I'm not talking mods like sounds systems that are magnets for the bad guys. I'm talking very distinctive paint, ground effects, rims, etc.

Any data out there? Any opinions out there?
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I see what you’re saying, and thanks for the input. But keep in mind we are driving convertibles. Preventing entry is impossible. It is easy to get into this car without using a slimjim or opening a door. Security for this car is a matter of preventing unauthorized individuals from starting it or removing things like head units.

But I guess my issue is with the alarm algorithm. When a “non-fob” entry has occurred, why immediately blast the alarm? On some thread I saw someone mentioned about a “chirp” that warns you that the alarm will go off unless you take action (like puting the key in the ignition). I didn’t get a chirp. Just an embarrassing racket. Maybe because I unlocked the passenger door first?

BTW, some on this site advise AGAINST locking the car. That way if some jerk sees a trinket on the front seat that he wants, hopefully he’ll just take it and leave your top intact. But locking the doors has become second nature for many of is – hard habit to break.
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like a jerk either. I understand your complaint. Until very recently, I was a controls engineer at GM (engine and fuel system), so I guess my first instinct was to defend the work of some of my former colleagues. The warning chirp is a good idea and likely wouldn't be too difficult to implement.

I too would counsel against simply leaving your doors unlocked. Thieves are likely to take the path of least resistance and an unlocked car is an invitation.
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Old 11-25-2008, 05:18 AM   #15 (permalink)
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