What do you guys think about the upcoming VTuner of GMRoadster?
a post from Martin at skyroadster.com ......
The Package that we are going to release is not so much about our tune is better than there tune...Because the fact is that unless we are all willing to meet somewhere and tune the same car in the same conditions on the same day in the same temperature range running the same fuel.....well you get the idea....We have never made a claim that our tune is necessarily "better" then anyone else's tune...mainly due to mutual respect but our recent numbers speak for them self and the fact that in the past 6 weeks I'm positive that we have tuned more LNF cars then anyone else out there.
Our technology will allow us to "really" custom build a tune for each of our customers....We can do a relatively good job of getting as much info on the front end and building a tune that will work best with that information but in the end nothing beat's having the tuner right at your car talking with you and building a tune with you standing there.
In all reality that is just not feasible, as much as I would like to physically send Steve out to everyone who purchase's a Tune from GMR so that everyone is getting a custom tune build just for them.... I just can't do that....
So I got to thinking...How can I get Steve to be in different parts of the Country with out ever having to leave Phoenix???? HMM...and that was how our new technology was born! Starting November 15th GMR will have the capability to custom build a tune with the owner at there car LIVE!
We will Custom build your Tune with you LIVE, that's right whether you have a bone stock car or every MOD imaginable....whether it's a 2007 Redline or a 2008 which requires the Clutch Position Sensor learn we now have you covered! GMR will build you a Conservative tune that will give you 35Whp and true reliability or a Full Race tune that requires 93 Octane and advanced Tables....We have you covered!
I'll give more details in a few days, in Short our Customers will never have to wonder if the tune they are getting is the right one for them because every tune we do will be the right one for them! Our Customers will no longer have to wait for there ECM to come back to them and they will not have to ever pull an ECM from there car and mail it to a tuner EVER AGAIN!
One of the facts that GM Roadster has going for us is that we have not just Dyno'ed two or three cars...we have dyno'ed 25 cars with various Mods, Fuel grades, and climates. We have more experience tuning Ecotec motors than any one else that I'm aware of. So we truly know what mods make power and how to tune for them in order to produce the power. We learned this on the Dynos around the country. remember Steve and I were in 5 different Cities over 4 weeks tuning LNF's on Dyno's last month.
One of the neat features that our new VTuner will allow for is that you can in fact go to a dyno shop and take the Vtuner with you...Strap down hook up and start pulling! It's as if our tuner was standing right there beside you!
We are going to accomplish great things here and your all part of it!
I would say that a "live" tune is better than a download and email back and forth and upload. But I would also say that there is great hidden (pun intended) value in stealth tunes (no indication that this one is) that are less than obvious to a dealer - thereby giving a modicum of protection from the warranty police inside GM. If you have a drivetrain failure chances are GM will require dealer to verify the internal software serial numbers of the ecm, which are changed or compromised by almost every tune.
I would also say that unless you have made other modifications then an off the shelf basic tune for power is more than adequate across all vehicles - from the factory each and every GXP has the exact same tune. So custom tuning a stock GXP is an exercise that may gain 1 hp at best
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I don't thik you will get that much better than the Westers you currently have. bWhat he is saying is a good idea, I guess we'll see if it works.
I think if my car is on a dyno, and using this VTuner, then it can tweak my tune a lil bit more to squeeze out the remaining whp/tq of my car.
But if it's not on a dyno, then it will be really hard to fine tune the engine and water/meth........without knowing if the tune in fact gave me more whp or not......
the water/methanol tuning is my concern, since that really requires a dyno and a tuner together, to get the most whp/tq from the system, without jeopardizing the health of the engine....IMHO
I think if my car is on a dyno, and using this VTuner, then it can tweak my tune a lil bit more to squeeze out the remaining whp/tq of my car.
But if it's not on a dyno, then it will be really hard to fine tune the engine and water/meth........without knowing if the tune in fact gave me more whp or not......
the water/methanol tuning is my concern, since that really requires a dyno and a tuner together, to get the most whp/tq from the system, without jeopardizing the health of the engine....IMHO
How do you know you maximized your hp with your current tune since it was emailed to you? You dynoed it after a tune was sent to you right? Your claim is no better because when you get the GMR tune you can dyno it after too, just as you did.
How is your tune any better than having someone tune it online looking at your car's performance live?
Let's face it, you have a canned tune based on a list of mods and it was emailed to you. Your actual car was not tuned, it is a tune based on a list of mods.
How do you know you maximized your hp with your current tune since it was emailed to you? You dynoed it after a tune was sent to you right? Your claim is no better because when you get the GMR tune you can dyno it after too, just as you did.
How is your tune any better than having someone tune it online looking at your car's performance live?
Let's face it, you have a canned tune based on a list of mods and it was emailed to you. Your actual car was not tuned, it is a tune based on a list of mods.
I didnt claim anything......so you shouldn't be accusing me of nothing. Read what I posted, and dont put words into my mouth.
A canned tune is a canned tune......and it needs tweaking at the dyno. Look at my signature, and I haven't claimed anything.
My tune from Wester is not tweaked to the max yet. I use my HPtuner and scan my engine every single day and do some data logging. Me and my tuner here in RI are still tweaking it on his dyno on small increments, until we perfect my water/methanol tuning.
And that's the reason I stated that I think the VTuner still needs to be on a dyno, to squeeze every whp/tq of my set-up............since there's water/methanol involved.
And what if I tell you that after using HPtuner and scanning my AFR, KRs, etc.....logging them, and sending the logs to Wester for the past 3 weeks. Then he tweaks the tune to my car to adjust my afr, and eliminate the KRs and total KRs,.... that he already sent me about 8 tunes to slowly tweak my tune .....and give me the best tune I can have with my set-up, without him personally to come meet with me....is still a canned tune? I don't think so. I think that's customizing my tune over the net.
I think if my car is on a dyno, and using this VTuner, then it can tweak my tune a lil bit more to squeeze out the remaining whp/tq of my car.
You are 100% correct. Only thing I am trying to say is, the cost benefit might not be worth it. Lets say the new tune is $500. Is that worth another 5% more HP? Thats what you need to decide.
I am not saying anyone is right or wrong. Anytime you can have a good tuner and car on the dyno, you should get the best results.
I didnt claim anything......so you shouldn't be accusing me of nothing. Read what I posted, and dont put words into my mouth.
A canned tune is a canned tune......and it needs tweaking at the dyno. Look at my signature, and I haven't claimed anything.
My tune from Wester is not tweaked to the max yet. I use my HPtuner and scan my engine every single day and do some data logging. Me and my tuner here in RI are still tweaking it on his dyno on small increments, until we perfect my water/methanol tuning.
And that's the reason I stated that I think the VTuner still needs to be on a dyno, to squeeze every whp/tq of my set-up............since there's water/methanol involved.
And what if I tell you that after using HPtuner and scanning my AFR, KRs, etc.....logging them, and sending the logs to Wester for the past 3 weeks. Then he tweaks the tune to my car to adjust my afr, and eliminate the KRs and total KRs,.... that he already sent me about 8 tunes to slowly tweak my tune .....and give me the best tune I can have with my set-up, without him personally to come meet with me....is still a canned tune? I don't think so. I think that's customizing my tune over the net.
get it straight bro....
Forgive me, I'm not trying to accuse you. I'm just trying to make a point that no matter what tune you get, you dyno it afterwards, not during and there is no better way to tune then have the tuner right there tuning it (or online in GMR's case) not just tuning it based on a list of mods. Again sorry for upsetting you, not my intention.
If your dynoing it after then going back and adjusting it then dynoing it again, that's great and you may "fine tune" it further to some degree but as the previous guy mentioned, it can be expensive to keep doing that. I would assume you get to a point and just say that's good enough. But since you have the water/meth kit, I don't blame you because you advanced the timing on that and if it is not tuned right it could be a mess. Best of luck with that.
Holy batman did my interest levels go up big or what! Just one thing, if its live I am assuming over the PC or something. However one needs the hardware to plug into the ECM so how does this work? Price range? Curious minds want to know. I am glad I waited on an ECM mod because more interesting things are coming out.
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Holy batman did my interest levels go up big or what! Just one thing, if its live I am assuming over the PC or something. However one needs the hardware to plug into the ECM so how does this work? Price range? Curious minds want to know. I am glad I waited on an ECM mod because more interesting things are coming out.
the VTuner will be hooked up to your ECM.
You will be provided with a 50' cable.....so you'll be connected via web (dsl or cable), while Steve of GMR is tuning your car.
You are 100% correct. Only thing I am trying to say is, the cost benefit might not be worth it. Lets say the new tune is $500. Is that worth another 5% more HP? Thats what you need to decide.
I am not saying anyone is right or wrong. Anytime you can have a good tuner and car on the dyno, you should get the best results.
Price might be $300-400, IDK
is it worth 5% whp increase.......I dont think so.
but how will we know if it's only 5% or 30%? The only way to find out is to try and to place it on a dyno.
if its 30% more whp.....and few 1-2 degree KR here and there (which is kinda normal even for a stock car)...definitely worth the $300-400, IMHO
I hope they can guarantee an increase of at least 10% over my current tune......or my money back
Forgive me, I'm not trying to accuse you. I'm just trying to make a point that no matter what tune you get, you dyno it afterwards, not during and there is no better way to tune then have the tuner right there tuning it (or online in GMR's case) not just tuning it based on a list of mods. Again sorry for upsetting you, not my intention.
If your dynoing it after then going back and adjusting it then dynoing it again, that's great and you may "fine tune" it further to some degree but as the previous guy mentioned, it can be expensive to keep doing that. I would assume you get to a point and just say that's good enough. But since you have the water/meth kit, I don't blame you because you advanced the timing on that and if it is not tuned right it could be a mess. Best of luck with that.
hi bro....peace!
I guess..you didn't see my other post or you misunderstood it.....
I was just stating that ........ I will benefit from it, if the VTuner is being used, while I am on a dyno. So GMR can tweak...then I do a dyno run.....then tweak again....dyno run....and so forth (in 2-3 hours.....depending on how fast the engine cools down and how fast the tuner does the tune). That's the only way IMHO that I can squeeze out whp and still keep engine safety.
Might be expensive.....but again, that's the only effective way.........."dyno tuning".
And you are right, getting a "canned tune" based on list of mods........is a good off the shelf tune. It is a good start to give your engine a good boost of power, but "dyno tuning" it on top of that "canned tune" will really maximize the power potential....
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I am glad I waited on an ECM mod because more interesting things are coming out. 
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