2009 Coupe pricing released Janaury 15, 2009.

[Small Dealer]

Originally Posted by Krazed Kanary My only question: Can you order it with the ZOK pkg?

Both the Base Coupe and GXP Coupe have the Z0K option listed.

[Small Dealer]

Originally Posted by kuwxman If I were in the market for this car, I'd be outraged at the pricing. While the Solstice is a good car, the price GM is wanting for the coupe is simply way too much. I'd go so far as saying it is now one of the most over priced cars on the market. $36k fully loaded for a Pontiac? No thanks. There are many cars out there for less or just a bit more that give you more bang for you buck. I can see this sticker price driving many people that were on the fence towards the 370Z now. There is no way in xxxx this car would be at the top of my list now. Overall, I am very disappointed in the way GM has gone about dealing with the Coupe. For those that still want the Solstice Coupe, haggle haggle and haggle some more. Do NOT pay sticker price for this car or a cent over. It isn't worth it.

So the "Solstice is a good car", but $615 more for the coupe makes it "one of the most over priced cars on the market".

There have been many Pontiacs that could be equipped fully or partially to acheive a MSRP of over $36,000. Many people found that acceptable, and not as repugnant as yourself.

If a $36,000 Solstice GXP Coupe drives people to $42,000+ 2009 Nissan 370Z, they were probably more inclined to go that way anyway.

[LowLife1]

Things I remember reading;
1. Bob Lutz saying (upon the Solstice introduction) that the auto industry does not need another $30,000 sport car and that the coupe should be $1,000 dollars cheaper than the convertible.

2. Porsche is the only auto company that has successfully been able to price a coupe (Cayman) version of a convertible version (Boxster) at an inflated price point. But Pontiac…is not Porsche.

3. Pontiac developed a targa over a hardtop because it allowed them to save money meeting future federal safety regulations (expensive) hardtops have to meet.

4. Adding standard equipment year to year and options bundles is meant to confuse price conscious consumers.

5. The biggest negative I see GM doing is taking what was once a reasonable priced product and pricing it against cars that appeal to the same customer base the Solstice appeals too (some have pointed out) have more panache or practicality (Nissan 370, BMW 1 series, V6 Camaro, V8 Mustangs, used C6s, etc.), class, or history.

[conevadr]

While I would love to have the coupe, it's not just the flat price differential. You have to add in the soft top, plus the annual increase. Yes the coupe may compete against a different market, but for me it's competing against the convertible. It's hard to justify the price difference between a new coupe and a nearly new convertible.

George M

[kuwxman]

Originally Posted by Small Dealer So the "Solstice is a good car", but $615 more for the coupe makes it "one of the most over priced cars on the market". There have been many Pontiacs that could be equipped fully or partially to acheive a MSRP of over $36,000. Many people found that acceptable, and not as repugnant as yourself. If a $36,000 Sosltice GXP Coupe drives people to $42,000+ 2009 Nissan 370Z, they were probably more inclined to go that way anyway.

The most expensive 2009 Nissan 370Z (fully loaded Touring with Sport package) comes out to $40,635 as per the Nissan site. So I don't know where your $42k+ price point came from.

The base 370Z has a starting MSRP of $29,930. However, I'll use the base 370Z with Sport Package (MSRP: $32, 930) as it compares with the Solstice Coupe GXP best IMO. Fully loaded, this 370Z comes in at $34,255, again as per the Nissan website. A near $2K less than the fully loaded Solstice GXP Coupe.

But wait, there's more! For that $2K less, you get more horsepower (Solstice Coupe GXP: 260HP vs 370Z: 332HP), xenon lights, more passenger room, actual storage space inside the car, etc. You simply get more with the 370Z for less money. There is no denying that fact.

Even trying to compare the base Solstice Coupe (MSRP: $26,845) to the base 370Z (MSRP: $29,930) there is just no comparison. You get nearly DOUBLE the horsepower with the 370Z for only $3K more! Add that, again, with more interior space, xenon lights, etc.

I understand you may be a bit biased here especially since this is a Solstice board. However, as an outside observer, there is NO denying the new Solstice GXP is one (if not the most) over priced automobile in it's class. One would think that with today's economy GM would try to price this much anticipated car competitively. Guess not. Or the skeptic inside me asks if that is part of the overall plan. "The Coupe didnt sell well, let's axe the SOB!" If that comes to be, GM will be the only one at fault for that while hurting the consumer in the process. The facts above further prove the point of my original post. Good luck on getting 1000 of these cars sold...

Sources:
1. Nissan USA - Buying a New Nissan - Choose a Model

2. 2009 Coupe pricing released Janaury 15, 2009.

3. 2009 Pontiac Solstice Specs & Safety - Consumer Guide Automotive

4. 2009 Nissan 370Z Specs & Safety - Consumer Guide Automotive

[Fformula88]

Originally Posted by kuwxman Or the skeptic inside me asks if that is part of the overall plan. "The Coupe didnt sell well, let's axe the SOB!" If that comes to be, GM will be the only one at fault for that while hurting the consumer in the process.

Good post kuwxman. I don't really have much to add, except to address the above.

I do not think GM would bother to introduce the coupe at this point, if their plan was to introduce it at too high of a price point so it doesn't sell, giving them justification to kill it. They could just soldier on with the roadsters instead.

I do think the coupe is going to be a rather low volume seller, even compared to the roadster. Your going to have to really want the coupe over the roadster to pay more for it.

Maybe GM intends some exclusivity with it.

[Small Dealer]

Excellent job with the research, and continuing the discussion. I have verified the numbers using your listed sources, and corrected any errors for the benefit of those reading the thread. Also added one clarification to align the two posts better.

Originally Posted by kuwxman The most expensive 2009 Nissan 370Z (fully loaded Touring with Sport package) comes out to $40,635 ($42,435) as per the Nissan site. So I don't know where your $42k+ price point came from. The base 370Z has a starting MSRP of $29,930 ($30,625) . However, I'll use the base 370Z with Sport Package (MSRP: $32, 930 ($33,625) ) as it compares with the Solstice Coupe GXP best IMO. Fully loaded, this 370Z comes in at $34,255 ($36,055) , again as per the Nissan website. A near $2K (MSRP $345) less than the fully loaded Solstice GXP Coupe ($36,400). But wait, there's more! For that $2K (MSRP $345) less, you get more horsepower (Solstice Coupe GXP: 260HP vs 370Z: 332HP), xenon lights, more passenger room, actual storage space inside the car, etc. You simply get more with the 370Z for less money (MSRP) . There is no denying that fact. Even trying to compare the base Solstice Coupe (MSRP: $26,845) to the base 370Z (MSRP: $29,930 ($30,625) ) there is just no comparison. You get nearly DOUBLE the horsepower with the 370Z for only $3K (MSRP $3,780) more! Add that, again, with more interior space, xenon lights, etc. I understand you may be a bit biased here especially since this is a Solstice board. However, as an outside observer, there is NO denying the new Solstice GXP (COUPE?) is one (if not the most) over priced automobile in it's class. One would think that with today's economy GM would try to price this much anticipated car competitively. Guess not. Or the skeptic inside me asks if that is part of the overall plan. "The Coupe didnt sell well, let's axe the SOB!" If that comes to be, GM will be the only one at fault for that while hurting the consumer in the process. The facts above further prove the point of my original post. Good luck on getting 1000 of these cars sold... Sources: 1. Nissan USA - Buying a New Nissan - Choose a Model 2. 2009 Coupe pricing released Janaury 15, 2009. 3. 2009 Pontiac Solstice Specs & Safety - Consumer Guide Automotive 4. 2009 Nissan 370Z Specs & Safety - Consumer Guide Automotive

[SmokinSolstice]

Kuwxman that is a very good post. Thats what I was thinking in my mind as well. I can't justify buying the coupe at that price for what the competition offers.

[LowLife1]

Don't forget you can drive up the price an additional;
$195 for Mean (bright yellow)
$295 for Brazen (inferno orange metallic)

Regardless, the price is the price, even with rebates be prepared to haggle who knew a convertible would look better. lol

[kuwxman]

I'm going to address the corrections Small Dealer made with an actual edit to my second post in this thread. His edited numbers were still incorrect in some cases, most notably the continued use of $42K+ for the most expensive 370Z. I will admit I made the mistake of not including the destination and handling charges in some of the Nissan MSRPs. Pontiac includes them in their MSRP on the website and Nissan does not on theirs. Below will be the exact numbers based on MSRP. Added comments that were not in my original post are in red. Hope this post clarifies the number aspect of the comparison.

The most expensive 2009 Nissan 370Z (fully loaded Touring with Sport package) comes out to $40,635 as per the Nissan site. So I don't know where your $42k+ price point came from. However, now, I see you added the navigation package ($1800 option) TWICE to get your number of $42,345.

The base 370Z has a starting MSRP of $30,625. However, I'll use the base 370Z with Sport Package (MSRP: $33,625) as it compares with the Solstice Coupe GXP best IMO. Fully loaded, this 370Z comes in at $34,255 (Your edited price of $36,055 included the navigation package which is NOT an option on this model), again as per the Nissan website. A full $2145 less than the fully loaded Solstice GXP Coupe (MSRP: $36,400).

But wait, there's more! For that $2145 less, you get more horsepower (Solstice Coupe GXP: 260HP vs 370Z: 332HP), xenon lights, more passenger room, actual storage space inside the car, etc. You simply get more with the 370Z for less money based on MSRP. There is no denying that fact.

Even trying to compare the base Solstice Coupe (MSRP: $26,845) to the base 370Z (MSRP: $30,625) there is just no comparison. You get nearly DOUBLE the horsepower with the 370Z for only $3,780 more! Add that, again, with more interior space, xenon lights, etc.

I understand you may be a bit biased here especially since this is a Solstice board. However, as an outside observer, there is NO denying the new Solstice Coupe GXP is one (if not the most) over priced automobile in it's class. It would be more competitive, and worth the purchase, if the fully loaded Solstice Coupe GXP were in the $32K range. One would think that with today's economy GM would try to price this much anticipated car competitively. Guess not. Or the skeptic inside me asks if that is part of the overall plan. "The Coupe didnt sell well, let's axe the SOB!" If that comes to be, GM will be the only one at fault for that while hurting the consumer in the process. The facts above further prove the point of my original post. Good luck on getting 1000 of these cars sold...

Sources:
1. Nissan USA - Buying a New Nissan - Choose a Model

2. 2009 Coupe pricing released Janaury 15, 2009.

3. 2009 Pontiac Solstice Specs & Safety - Consumer Guide Automotive

4. 2009 Nissan 370Z Specs & Safety - Consumer Guide Automotive

[Aspenrose]

Deja vu:

Of the 300 (some sources argue 314) Corvettes hand built in 1953 only 183 were sold because of "average" performance at a relatively high price, $3513. The popular Jaguar XK120 sold for $3345; $168 less than the Corvette.

And I'm sure if there had been an internet & forums in 1953, the critics would have been blasting Chevy & GM for having the audacity to send to market "the most overpriced vehicle in it's class".....

[Small Dealer]

The Nissan site is very good.

It will not allow options to be added twice, or at incorrect amounts. The Nav System lists for $1,850 on the Touring models, not $1,800.

It will also not allow options to be added that are not available and for incorrect amounts. The $1,850 Nav System being not available on the non-Touring models, not incorrectly added and priced as $1,800.

It is also very good at showing the Destination & Handling charges.

What it is not very good at, it staying open for me right now. Closes my browser everytime I click on the color choice.

So had to confirm my numbers with my original source, GM AutoBook and Edmunds.com.

[kuwxman]

Originally Posted by Small Dealer The Nissan site is very good. It will not allow options to be added twice, or at incorrect amounts. The Nav System lists for $1,850 on the Touring models, not $1,800. It will also not allow options to be added that are not available and for incorrect amounts. The $1,850 Nav System being not available on the non-Touring models, not incorrectly added and priced as $1,800. It is also very good at showing the Destination & Handling charges. What it is not very good at, it staying open for me right now. Closes my browser everytime I click on the color choice. So had to confirm my numbers with my original source, GM AutoBook and Edmunds.com.

Don't you hate when the stupid interweb won't cooperate? Agreed, the Nav package is $1850. Don't know where I got the $1800 value from. Guess we both can't add. The Nissan site does show the Destination charges well, but for my original post I was taking the price that was being shown on the 'Choose a Model' page, which does not show the Destination charge.

Main point still being, the price of the Solstice Coupe GXP is too high.

[My-Low-Sol]

Originally Posted by Small Dealer Both the Base Coupe and GXP Coupe have the Z0K option listed.

If the Z0K option is added to the base car are the $2000 in additional options deleted?? Or is this going to be a "too heavy to compete" race-package car?

Also, as far as the weight issue listed earlier, the RX8 weighs less than the GXP and barely more than the base Sol. Mine weighed in at 2840 at Peru, with A/C. It's only about 60-80lbs heavier than my NA Z0K Sol weighed in similar trim without A/C.

Additionally, if anyone is thinking of autox use, Mazda gives a big discount to autox-ers on new vehicles called s-plan pricing. My brand new 07 RX8 (with 65 miles on the clock) cost me $19,900 after rebates and incentives. And that was not a negotiated price. Simply, Mazda offers the car at true invoice and still allows all rebates and incentives to apply on top of that price. MSRP dropped from $27-something to $19,900 without negotiating.

[Small Dealer]

Originally Posted by My-Low-Sol If the Z0K option is added to the base car are the $2000 in additional options deleted??

At this stage of the game, the ordering guide for the Coupes has the same notations as the ordering guide for the Roadsters, Z0K includes XM Radio Delete. Which will delete the XM, but may not give any credit for it's value.

The Z0Ks have never dropped any of the GXP's remaining standard features, so the assumption is that on the new Base Coupe, the power equipment stays.