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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 02-17-2017, 09:10 AM Thread Starter
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Relinquishing my GXP Coupe

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I have truly enjoyed the Solstice Forum and all the members who share their extensive knowledge base on these Kappa vehicles from yesteryear. I am sad to say that after 3+ years of ownership I reluctantly have to give up my "Cool" Coupe I so cherished.

I happened to come across a 1973 Pontiac Firebird Formula 455, fully optioned out, 4 speed manual w/AC, recently (3 yrs) chemically stripped paint restoration, with extremely low miles that I am in the midst of buying. I originally planned to keep both vehicles but my spouse wants me to own only one collector car.

The Cool Silver Coupe has 24,899 miles on it and is stored in winter months. It was originally a Florida car that lived in Pensicola, Florida. It has a 5 speed manual trans w/ the GXP pkg that I have added:

A Venom Brace, Pro Beam, & 3/8" thick Trans Tunnel Backbone Brace to the car's suspension. All DDM components installed in 2014.

I have replaced the front & rear stock rotors with drilled and slotted rotors, disk pads, and painted all 4 brake calipers w/ Black Hi temp caliper. All SP Performance products installed in 2015.

I have replaced the factory Monsoon AM/FM/SAT, 6 CD Chgr Bluetooth radio with a factory Monsoon AM/FM/SAT/Sgl CD/ USB Bluetooth radio to interface with android or ios - based music players/cellphones installed in 2014. The 6 stock Monsoon speakers have been upgraded to Infinity audio speakers (2- 6.5" door; 2 - 3.5" rear pnl & 2-1" dome tweeters in A posts). The single Monsoon 8" subwoofer was replaced with a Pioneer Shallow Mount Dual voice coil TS-SW2002D2 8" 2 ohm subwoofer. Installed in 2016

The battery was replaced in 2016 along with the primary long positive battery cable assy. Installed in 2015.

I have the optional soft top complete with storage bag; the OEM Solstice car cover, mounted frt & rr black splash guards, the original carpeted GXP mats as well as the all weather factory mats, & the Opel GT/Sky Shorty antenna.

I have the complete set of hard copy Shop Service manuals. Oil & filter has been changed annually and the coolant systems has been power flushed in 2015.

I never intended to sell this Coupe but must relinquish it in order to buy the 1973 Firebird Formula 455 4 speed.

I am asking $35,000 for it! Any interested in buying it please contact me.

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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 02-17-2017, 09:45 AM
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Just curious are you buying the car from a guy Manny in North Ridgeville who has a collection of muscle cars ?
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No a guy is liquidating his deceased brother's "car toys" in NY and i have been on lookout for a second generation Firebird. I wanted a TA but they are pretty out of reach nowadays especially with the Muncie close ratio manual tranny.

I found the Formula I am buying was ordered by the original owner with all the TA performance goodies and the original owner added the TA aero package (frt air dam, rear spoiler, & wheel spats) to the Formula so it looks really awesome with the functional Ram Air Formula fiberglass hood.

Just wish I could keep both. I love the Sol Coupe!

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This has popped up on AutoTrader: Cars for Sale: Used 2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP for sale in Lorain, OH 44053: Coupe Details - 450996582 - Autotrader (pics)

Lar, I wouldn't doubt if Napoli Classic Cars (or Gateway Classics) shows interest, and then they would add at least 10K to the selling price. Good luck w/the sale.

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The Firebird is a nice piece of period gear. Ironic that the output of that huge engine was the same as a GMPP tuned GXP - 290 bhp! More torque, of course, 380 Tq as opposed to 340 out of the LNF.

Performance is in the same general area - 13s in the 1/4.

Believe me, the Firebird doesn't handle or stop near as well as the Solstice, though; I owned a 455 HO Le Mans and tracked it - once - on a road course.

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I always wanted A Firebird TA or Formula when I graduated from high school but had to keep my 1965 Pontiac GTO through most of college. Once out I married by high school sweetheart and we bought a 1978 Bronco Ranger XLT. The GTO was long gone since I needed cash for last year of Engineering school. Wish I would have kept it.

Wish I could keep the Coupe as a stablemate for the Formula but wife isn't buying into that plan. I know I will miss it if I end up selling it. Its been such a blast to drive in summer.

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I had a 74 firebird. That or my 86 Fiero GT was probably the most fun I had with a car until I bought my Solstice. That 73 you found sounds really nice. I'm sure you'll have a blast with it too.
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I can understand the modivation, I have owned many 2nd gen T/A's and I did own a 73 455 Formula 4-speed, I actually Liked the Formula better than the T/A's. The only thing I didn't like about the formula was the weight of the "light weight" fiberglass hood! It must weigh at least 40lbs more than the steel T/A hood! 450+ft lbs of street torque is hard to beat. And you wont know what to do with all the extra cargo space!!! LOL!!!!

Good luck of the sale. And the New purchase.

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Well guys I went out to Long Island this past week to shake down, inspect, and buy that 1973 SD-455 Firebird Formula I planned to replace my Solstice Coupe with. Being 44 years old it was in pretty decent shape with only 35,000 actual miles on it and well equipped from the factory. It still had many small issues that I would have to take care in order for me to enjoy owning it.

I guess I am over muscle cars.............this is one brute of car with the close ratio Muncie / Hurst manual transmission. I still found driving my Sol Coupe much more fun to drive and it pulls as well as the SD-455 Formula. The Coupe handles like its on rails ( I knew this before driving the Firebird). Since my wife wanted me to pick between the two cars I had to pass up the Firebird and stay with my Sol Coupe. This incident really made me appreciate our Kappas much more than I realized.

Looks like I will stay a Kappa owner!

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Good decision.

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Happy to hear this!!!!! Welcome back.

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Ahhh glad you came to your senses!

In 68 I came Barack from a government paid trip to a foreign land and bought a new GTO. It was great then but never came close to having the performance of my GXP. Of course I scratched my V8 itch with my car and it is now what the Goat should have been

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I understand your opinion, while I really enjoy driving the old Pontiac V-8 cars I have (and even the OHC-6 powered 69 FB) they are like comparing a 1970 T/A with a 1932 V8 Ford. the 40+ years of design improvements do show up when driving the cars back to back. The 2nd gen F-bodies are very good handling and Braking cars for their era, but with 600lbs more engine up front, rear leaf spring suspension, and rear wheel drums, not to mention the vague GM power steering box's of the day combine to make your GXP's handling, braking, and road holding seem fantastic.
The later 70's WS6 equipped cars handle and steer much better, the BW ST-10 trans shifts better than the Muncie 4-speed found in the 1975 and earlier cars. But the later cars do not have the HP of the normal 455's let alone a SD. But the SD in stock form made around 300HP in a 3600lb car, stock your GXP makes 260HP in a 2900lb car. So your GXP actually has almost a 1 HP to lb weight advantage over the Formula SD, and that is assuming the Formula only weighs 3600lbs.
I am like Rob I have a V8 in my Solstice and I drive it every chance I get sense buying it last November. I would usually be driving my Hot Rodded 69 Firebird Sprint. I am seriously considering selling the 69 as I do not see me driving it as much as I used to now that I have the Solstice. And it has upgraded Suspension and Steering so handle much better than it did when I bought it in 1989.

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Part of me is saying; WooHoo! The other part is knowing that it can be really tuff to get over wanting something. Even though I had a 66 Nova, I still continue to look and lust after nice examples of 66/67s.

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All of you guys are so correct about the unfairness of comparing the modern Kappa to the 70s Performance Pontiacs. Technology has come a long way and the Kappas have benefitted immensely. I know many of you have transplanted the V8s in your heaps but the 2.0L Ecotec LFN is chockfull of performance enhancements. I am happy with the GXP as it was delivered to the public.

I guess I had to drive one of the old muscle car Pontiacs to bring me to my senses that my coupe provides the best of both worlds.................performance, awesome looks, as well as latest technology.................Bluetooth / iPod compatibility / a pretty decent sound system (after my Infinity Audio / Pioneer SW speaker upgrade)

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