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11-17-2005, 06:29 PM

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	2KWK4U Founding Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Less than 2 hours from Nurburgring!	If and when a short-throw shifter hits the market, it will be a pretty easy mod to do. The problem, as I see it will be that the shift knob and boot aren't easily removed from the shifter stalk... at least not as far as I can tell. For those curious, though Here's how you remove the shifter. 1) The boot and trim ring pop right out of the IP trim panel 2) The shifter is held to the linkage with an allen-head set screw. Oddly enough it is a standard (vice metric) size 3/16" Couldn't be easier! The set screw has locktite blue on it. I advise putting it back in with locktite blue as well. Attached Thumbnails __________________ I've never met a Solstice I wouldn't autopsy. '06 #101409 - Sold to move to Germany '08 GXP #105359 - Bought and stored 10 months before I move back from Germany!

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11-17-2005, 08:07 PM

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	Rickady88GT Founding Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: CA	Nice Do you even think a Short shifter is needed? __________________ I will own a V6 Kappa even if GM does not offer one as an engine upgrade. I have made my mind up, I want the Cadillac CTS 3.6L V6 with a 6 Speed manual tranny. And I will do the conversion my self if I have too :)

11-17-2005, 08:34 PM

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	Fortimir The Orange One™ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Zionsville, Indiana	I must have a completely wrong idea about what a short-throw shifter is... So fill me in exactly how you make throws shorter by changing the actual knob? __________________ Not an owner any longer. They call me The Orange One™ Fortimir Design R&R Music Central The Best iPod Solution for your Solstice Fortimir's current screenshot

11-17-2005, 08:40 PM

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	Rickady88GT Founding Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: CA	Quote: Originally Posted by Fortimir I must have a completely wrong idea about what a short-throw shifter is... So fill me in exactly how you make throws shorter by changing the actual knob? You don't change the knob, you change or cut the shaft between the knob and tranny. __________________ I will own a V6 Kappa even if GM does not offer one as an engine upgrade. I have made my mind up, I want the Cadillac CTS 3.6L V6 with a 6 Speed manual tranny. And I will do the conversion my self if I have too :)

11-17-2005, 08:42 PM

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	Fortimir The Orange One™ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Zionsville, Indiana	Quote: Originally Posted by Rickady88GT You don't change the knob, you change or cut the shaft between the knob and tranny. that's why i meant... but shortening the shaft makes that much of a difference? __________________ Not an owner any longer. They call me The Orange One™ Fortimir Design R&R Music Central The Best iPod Solution for your Solstice Fortimir's current screenshot

11-17-2005, 09:20 PM

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	2KWK4U Founding Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Less than 2 hours from Nurburgring!	Quote: Originally Posted by Rickady88GT Nice Do you even think a Short shifter is needed? Honestly, not really. Maybe it could be a touch shorter, but I don't think it would be worth the money, especially if you have to factor in the cost of the knob and leather. __________________ I've never met a Solstice I wouldn't autopsy. '06 #101409 - Sold to move to Germany '08 GXP #105359 - Bought and stored 10 months before I move back from Germany!

11-17-2005, 10:09 PM

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	SkyCaptain Founding Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fairmont, WV	I thought in their adverts, pontiac already says it has a short shifter? __________________ Veritas Aequitas And we shall flow a river forth to thee And teeming with souls shall it ever be.

11-17-2005, 10:19 PM

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	Fortimir The Orange One™ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Zionsville, Indiana	Quote: Originally Posted by 2KWK4U Honestly, not really. Maybe it could be a touch shorter, but I don't think it would be worth the money, especially if you have to factor in the cost of the knob and leather. Hopefully someone will come out with a really neat polished/machined aluminum shifter gate, so we can get a ball/rod shifter (no boot) anyway? Solstice Prototype Gate Not too bad. I don't like the shifter design, but the gate itself is nice. Lamborghini Gate Another neat idea: black-oxide gate would match ebony interior very well. Ferarri Gate I personally want a shiny, very professional gate. (threw in a second picture showing a VERY neat security idea... HINT HINT) Pole Position Gate KappaSphere might just have to make it really simple for those of us who aren't manual-drivers yet. __________________ Not an owner any longer. They call me The Orange One™ Fortimir Design R&R Music Central The Best iPod Solution for your Solstice Fortimir's current screenshot Last edited by Fortimir : 11-17-2005 at 10:22 PM.

11-17-2005, 10:33 PM

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	silversolstice Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Morro Bay, CA	Quote: you change or cut the shaft between the knob and tranny. that makes it a SHORT SHIFTER, but not a short THROW shifter. YOu have to change the shape and angle of the shafter after the fulcrum, so that the distance from the stops is shorter. Then there will be less travel between neutral and each gear. I think its got a pretty nice throw, but it doesn't have that click sound like the some of the miatas. Still nice though.

11-17-2005, 10:40 PM

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	Fortimir The Orange One™ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Zionsville, Indiana	Quote: Originally Posted by silversolstice that makes it a SHORT SHIFTER, but not a short THROW shifter. YOu have to change the shape and angle of the shafter after the fulcrum, so that the distance from the stops is shorter. Then there will be less travel between neutral and each gear. that's what I thought... but people confused me. Actually, now that I think about it... even shortening the top is still going to shorten the distance your hand moves A LITTLE. __________________ Not an owner any longer. They call me The Orange One™ Fortimir Design R&R Music Central The Best iPod Solution for your Solstice Fortimir's current screenshot

11-17-2005, 10:41 PM

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	2KWK4U Founding Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Less than 2 hours from Nurburgring!	Quote: Originally Posted by silversolstice that makes it a SHORT SHIFTER, but not a short THROW shifter. YOu have to change the shape and angle of the shafter after the fulcrum, so that the distance from the stops is shorter. Then there will be less travel between neutral and each gear. I think its got a pretty nice throw, but it doesn't have that click sound like the some of the miatas. Still nice though. Thanks for the correction. I can't argue with you there. Truly making the throws any shorter is going to be tough, since we're dealing with a top-loader tranny (at least I'm almost certain it's a top-loader). __________________ I've never met a Solstice I wouldn't autopsy. '06 #101409 - Sold to move to Germany '08 GXP #105359 - Bought and stored 10 months before I move back from Germany!

11-18-2005, 12:18 AM

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	jimbo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Yuba City, California .... The BIG Cowpie!	I think there is a diminishing return to short throws. The shorter the throw, the more the effort required to shift. __________________ Solstice GXP Coupe You still don't need a trunk to haul ass... even at Red Rock Canyon in Las Vegas! Official car of SCCA T2 Champion Don Knowles.

11-18-2005, 12:34 AM

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	Fortimir The Orange One™ Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Zionsville, Indiana	Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo I think there is a diminishing return to short throws. The shorter the throw, the more the effort required to shift. Damn that physics! __________________ Not an owner any longer. They call me The Orange One™ Fortimir Design R&R Music Central The Best iPod Solution for your Solstice Fortimir's current screenshot

11-18-2005, 01:12 AM

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	The Stig Supporting Vendor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern California	Thanks Scott ... we've got some work to do. __________________ www.KappaSphere.com Phone 951-296-6825 ext 206 neil@kappasphere.com