I've always heard that competition is good for the consumer. It forces the manufacturers to improve their products to compete for customers.
? When the competition is THE US Gov, is that fair competetion? It would be IF they the GOV was NOt able to print and tax MONEY. Because NO GOV has ever run anything well, EVER.
Awesome, so the taxpayers are giving money to Fisker so that they can build a green vehicle using UAW workers. Then when the cars are overpriced and delayed the taxpayers will be doling out large tax credits for people to buy Fisker's new dream machine. Sounds good to me.
Can we just jump a few steps and start handing out checks to current, past and former autoworkers?
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It doesn't end there folks: Have you seen the latest news? GMAC is going back to Uncle Sam for ANOTHER bailout. GMAC Needs A THIRD Bailout Of At Least $2.8 Billion But wait a minute, since Uncle Sam already owns GMAC, doesn't that mean that effectively Uncle Sam is bailing itself out?
And don't forget that GMAC is now the Government Owned lender for BOTH GM and Chrysler. Like I said before, we are in some real strange waters now: Uncle Sam OWNS GM, Chrysler and GMAC. And they are selling the Wilmington plant to Fisker and loaning Fisker the start up money. I wonder if GMAC will become the preferred auto lender for Fisker as well?
An inconvenient truth - Fisker is backed by an investment firm owned by Al Gore. Do you think that could be part of the reason Fisker will be getting money from the gov. Our tax dollars will help Gore get richer being green. If Cap and Trade is passed and we can't afford gas, electric cars will sell better. You have to love it when a plan comes together.
The next logical step will be aggressive "Incentives" provided by Uncle Sam to purchase the Clown Cars. (IE: Severe VAT Penalties attached to larger vehicles, or high performance vehicles. or "inefficient" vehicles) Amazing how much social engineering one can accomplish when you run/own everything, isn't it? Hmmm, seems like I have seen this done somewhere in the past.
Hopefully by the time they play the final card (mandating the elimination of all existing vehicles that don't meet the new "standards"), I will have already got the fun out of my Sky. Of maybe I will actually be able to afford the Fisker.
Maybe not. Fisker is not John DeLorean !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, JD tried to build cars in a country with a decimated economy ravaged by cost of war... Oh wait....
39K AFTER government incentives and credits, for a car you have to plug in and recharge after traveling X miles???? Will they be installing charging stations along the interstates with a room included so you can sleep while your car recharges? Or will the Interstates just turn into truck routes and RR right of ways simply for transporting goods to locations near home? Where will all this power come from? Electricity is already a very expensive form of energy, and how green are generating facilities? What do you do with all the dead batteries with their toxic components after they will no longer hold a charge? If you think oil changes are expensive wait until you price a battery change. Talk about mioptic politicians, the "green bandwagon" is populated with Mr Magoos and ostriches.
Just my opinion YMMV.
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39K AFTER government incentives and credits, for a car you have to plug in and recharge after traveling X miles???? Will they be installing charging stations along the interstates with a room included so you can sleep while your car recharges? Or will the Interstates just turn into truck routes and RR right of ways simply for transporting goods to locations near home? Where will all this power come from? Electricity is already a very expensive form of energy, and how green are generating facilities? What do you do with all the dead batteries with their toxic components after they will no longer hold a charge? If you think oil changes are expensive wait until you price a battery change. Talk about mioptic politicians, the "green bandwagon" is populated with Mr Magoos and ostriches.
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Nobody has EVER stated that pure electrics were going to be anything other than short range commuter vehicles. But what IS lost in the translation is the carbon impact cost of the production of the electricity. Hybrids such as the Prius and Volt can put along at a reasonable rate when the batteries are used up on a trip. I really think this is all just a interim period of political appeasement, political correctness, early adopter bragging rights until such stuff as fuel cell vehicles become more viable. Even THEN, without a refueling infrastructure, fuel cell vehicles are mental masturbation !!!! Maybe somebody can pull their head out of their butt, make CNG a viable heavy vehicle (bus, truck, construction equipment, etc.) fuel, promote clean diesel for CARS, and really make a difference.
Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to make sense !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Electric generation is going to become problematic on a good day. Since nuclear power is officially on the way out, because Obama shut down the Yucca Mountain waste facility. And Coal Power is officially on the way out since Obama is passing the Tax and Cap program and the new CO2 restrictions. And since the Federal Government doesn't classify Hydroelectric as "renewable resource". We are pretty much SOL for any large power production. You could cover the US with Wind Power and Solar Cells and still not make up the difference. So I am a little confused as to how we are going to provide the power for our "Green" electric cars. But what do I know? I am not a career politician with all the answers.
We are going to cover vast areas of land with windmillls and solar panels. I'm sure everyone will be on board with letting us build these things in their backyard. Then we stop mining for coal, close the hydroplants so the fish don't get sucked into the turbines and of course do away with the horrible nuclear plants.
The rest of the energy will be made up with sparkles and rainbows from our hearts.
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Well windmills are out of the picture now. In our area a company is trying to get windmills approved and the enviroliberalists are fighting against them because they kill bats and raptors. The insanity never ends. No need to go green when you can go broke.
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About 100 years ago, folks were probably thinking ..."How useful will a car be without gas stations all over the place?"
Well, demand created gas stations and innovations made the engines and gas better. I'm sure there were ol' timer skeptics who felt steam or pure horse-powered buggies could never be replaced.
Demand will also drive the next wave of "hydro stations" and electric recharging facilities. Innovation will make batteries charge faster and last longer. Look at what the cell phone industry has done in just the last few years. Would you prefer the classic Motorola "brick", a first generation "flip", or the latest iPhone?
The auto world and the general public will get there eventually. People will embrace the technology when it meets their need in an improved body (cassette→CD→mp3, VHS→DVD→Blu-Ray, CRT→projection TV→LCD/plasma, stove→oven→microwave, etc...)
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Amazing how much social engineering one can accomplish when you run/own everything, isn't it? Hmmm, seems like I have seen this done somewhere in the past.
Didn't mean to make sense !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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