Valid and to the point. I always liked the Fiero, especially the last year GT guise with the V-6. Have a colleague now, who has a Lotus Exige S and it is SWEEEEETTTTT!!!. True sports car. He loves it. He likes the GXP too, but prefers the Exige S to the Solstice GXP. Pure fun, on a track, the Exige S hands down. But, for my driving and my tastes, the Sol GXP fits me. Is it better than the Exige? Don't really compare the two. I respect what he has, as he has offered respect for what I have. A low mileage 1988 Fiero GT in black, black interior, would be nice for me.
I asm sure that Exige is one heck of a drive! Especially on the track! Each have their benefits and downfalls, and definitely would appeal to different people. Especially the Lotus as it is a very unique.
I'm sure we have a consensus that the subject of this photo is downright ugly.
But I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a bold statement:
IT IS A FACT THAT THE SUBJECT OF THIS PHOTO IS DOWNRIGHT UGLY!
Only it's mother will disagree with me, I'm sure.
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Does this driver drive a Solstice or a Miata ??
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I'm sure we have a consensus that the subject of this photo is downright ugly.
But I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a bold statement:
IT IS A FACT THAT THE SUBJECT OF THIS PHOTO IS DOWNRIGHT UGLY!
Only it's mother will disagree with me, I'm sure.
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Remember in planet of the Apes, the future Earth dwellers and primates/chimps/gorillas/orangutans, thought the humans were so "damn" ugly? Beauty, my friend, is always in the eye of the beholder. Explains why, in this picture, the mama prolly loved this creature as much as your mother or my mother loved us.
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.. but the way people take offense and nit pick, tit & tat on the edge of moronic self righteousness over something sooooooooo little and stupid-------- and nurture it into something big stupid............is just sad
time out children
just my opinion ---feel free to flame away -->>> fact is --->> i think this whole thread is a crock and if there was a rational evaluation.......poll ......the consensus oughta be..............
pretty much embarrassing
i am --- simply because i read most of it and posted
lock it up and throw away the key......
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Originally Posted by LilRedGXP
The following is an excerpt taken from the MX-5 details page. I know appearances is subjective but come on... how can they say it's better looking than the Solstice and still give it a much higher score than the MX-5. Me thinks (if you read the methodology) this rag tag piece of an article puts real journalism to shame. They rely on review of reviews fer Christs' sake. Notice: that the highest exterior ranking is the Solstice and still nothing above 9.0 - what gives?
Though the Pontiac Solstice recently trumped the MX-5 as the most affordable roadster convertible in its class, Car and Driver says that it's still "quicker, more agile, more refined, quieter, roomier, more comfortable, [and] better looking" than the Solstice.
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Norman, after giving it some thought... didn't you have a small replica of that on your desk in one of your past Avatar's?
John, your memory is too good. But my monkey is better looking, and that's a fact. OK, maybe not a fact, but a consensus fer shure!
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Originally Posted by jwally
Can anyone name just one car mag that isn't against American automobiles? They all make me sick.
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Personal opinion on the appearance of a car has no right or wrong. Everyone is entitled to like one over the other. Whether or not it flies in the face of most people think or what is most commonly accepted doesn't matter.
I agree with you in theory, but when a magazine holds itself out as the standard opinion bearer you would think their opinion should reflect the public they purport to serve. That they give it a numerical score implies some objectivity, even in a subjective category.
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Can anyone name just one car mag that isn't against American automobiles? They all make me sick.
I don't think TV Guide is against them, but I could be wrong. lol
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Black - Charcoal Leather red stitching- LSD - Monsoon - MP3 - OnStar - XM - A/C - ABS - Cruise - 5 Speed Auto- Fog lamps - GXP Floormats - Chrome wheels - Sport pedals
"Original Sol" 2006 2.4 - 5 speed manual
Black - Sand/Steel leather - ABS - A/C - Power windows/locks - Magnaflow exhaust - GMPP CAI - Vector ECM tune - Delivered Oct '05 - Said goodbye Mar '07 - It was a hell of great ride!
I agree with you in theory, but when a magazine holds itself out as the standard opinion bearer you would think their opinion should reflect the public they purport to serve. That they give it a numerical score implies some objectivity, even in a subjective category.
:sigh: Ok... I thought Giz had successfully sidetracked this one.
I'll give a response, but I see little reason to continue here. My feeling on it is well stated.
Anyway, they are just giving a score to a subjective category which has no measurable data to compare, in order to come up with an overall rating to rank cars in comparison tests. It still their opinion, just in numerical form, and is often controversial. Anyone remembe the Mustang beating the GTO a couple years back? GTO won on nearly every performance category and nearly all of the "scored" categories. However, C&D gave the 'Stang a rediculously high "Gotta have it" score which pushed it up for the win. Tons of letters came pouring into the mag about it, and it was the talk of many forums. Certainly, they gave it a score, saying although the GTO was overall the better muscle car, the Mustang won because it was... well... more popular. Maybe this was a nod to overall consensus among buyers. However, the flood of letters to the magazine also showed it wasn't so much a consensus or fact among it's readers... since many thought the GTO should have won the comparo.
You do make a good point. Opinion can have some objectivity. In the above example, Mustang outsold GTO on a scale of about 13-1. So it was well established it was more popular. It also isn't a completely fair comparison either, since 60% of those Stang's cost about $22K, were V6's, and certainly were not competition for the GTO and of the remaining 40%, most of those were also considerably cheaper than the GTO's $33K entry price. So although it may have had objectivity in mind, it was also slightly selective objectivity.
In the case of MX-5 vs Sol styling... well... I would contend that most would think the Sol looks better. That is a fact. Some would argue they find the Miata more appealing. That is also fact.
As a result, some would say the magazine is a croc. That is fact. Other's would say they are just in the minority opinion on the issue... which is also fact.
Ultimately, I think we can reach a consensus opinion here. That being, there is disagreement on whether we should simply call the magazine a croc for stating that opinion, and thus dismissing their opinion altogether, or whether we should accept it as a minority opinion, and still show their opinion some respect for being arrived at in some sort of objective manner while still being among the minority of the population.
PS, maybe that is really the point I have been dancing around too. That I disagree with the notion that we dismiss that opinion, or any other which we do not like or agree with for the mere reason that it is different than the consensus opinion within our community.
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:sigh: Ok... I thought Giz had successfully sidetracked this one.
I'll give a response, but I see little reason to continue here. My feeling on it is well stated.
Anyway, they are just giving a score to a subjective category which has no measurable data to compare, in order to come up with an overall rating to rank cars in comparison tests. It still their opinion, just in numerical form, and is often controversial. Anyone remembe the Mustang beating the GTO a couple years back? GTO won on nearly every performance category and nearly all of the "scored" categories. However, C&D gave the 'Stang a rediculously high "Gotta have it" score which pushed it up for the win. Tons of letters came pouring into the mag about it, and it was the talk of many forums. Certainly, they gave it a score, saying although the GTO was overall the better muscle car, the Mustang won because it was... well... more popular. Maybe this was a nod to overall consensus among buyers. However, the flood of letters to the magazine also showed it wasn't so much a consensus or fact among it's readers... since many thought the GTO should have won the comparo.
You do make a good point. Opinion can have some objectivity. In the above example, Mustang outsold GTO on a scale of about 13-1. So it was well established it was more popular. It also isn't a completely fair comparison either, since 60% of those Stang's cost about $22K, were V6's, and certainly were not competition for the GTO and of the remaining 40%, most of those were also considerably cheaper than the GTO's $33K entry price. So although it may have had objectivity in mind, it was also slightly selective objectivity.
In the case of MX-5 vs Sol styling... well... I would contend that most would think the Sol looks better. That is a fact. Some would argue they find the Miata more appealing. That is also fact.
As a result, some would say the magazine is a croc. That is fact. Other's would say they are just in the minority opinion on the issue... which is also fact.
Ultimately, I think we can reach a consensus opinion here. That being, there is disagreement on whether we should simply call the magazine a croc for stating that opinion, and thus dismissing their opinion altogether, or whether we should accept it as a minority opinion, and still show their opinion some respect for being arrived at in some sort of objective manner while still being among the minority of the population.
Uhhh, I don't think we are in disagreement at all. Obviously the majority here agree that the Solstice is superior in styling...that's why most of us bought them. My only point was that while styling is a subjective issue (and therefore personal opinion) these "reviewers" give it a score, which some of the gullible readers will take seriously (maybe as evidence of what is 'trendy'). A reasonable person would think that they would score this category closer to the majority opinion, which while also not objective, at least gives it a simulated objectivity (i.e. majority opinion). Personally (subjective) I think they are way off on this one (as most forum members will agree). That's all.
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'07 GXP - Loaded 3/19/2007 - 5 Speed auto
Black - Charcoal Leather red stitching- LSD - Monsoon - MP3 - OnStar - XM - A/C - ABS - Cruise - 5 Speed Auto- Fog lamps - GXP Floormats - Chrome wheels - Sport pedals
"Original Sol" 2006 2.4 - 5 speed manual
Black - Sand/Steel leather - ABS - A/C - Power windows/locks - Magnaflow exhaust - GMPP CAI - Vector ECM tune - Delivered Oct '05 - Said goodbye Mar '07 - It was a hell of great ride!
bad enuff....
-->>> fact is --->> i think this whole thread is a crock and if there was a rational evaluation.......poll ......the consensus oughta be..............
