Audi 2.0T versus Solstice 2.0 LNF

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by mena661 Yep. Get used to it. We'll be seeing a LOT more turbo'd engines in the near and far future.

Even Audi is going that way now, not in the future. Big Blau's points aren't very logical, not to mention credible. Audis get spanked engine for engine in just about every category. They are overpriced, overweight, but do have good technology and their interiors are second to none. That I will give them.

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by bigblau Reliable consistent street power vs. Turbo. It's your choice, if GM would let you have it. Fact, normally aspirated engines are more reliable then forced induction engines! Turbos are like a small runaway nuclear explosion. Without a wastgate, if you keep your foot all the way to the floorboard, the turbo would build so much pressure up in your engine that you would blow your engine up. Something happen to the wastgate and your engine is toast. Why does LNF power peak at 260HP and 5,300 rpm? I’ll tell you why, the LNF uses the same little K04 variant of the German built 3K-Warner Turbo as the award winning Audi 2.0L Turbo does. Audi obviously wants happy customers and so to make their engines last keeps boost pressure lower then LNF, and limits boost pressure to 8psi maximum. GM has 5yr./100,000 warranty so who cares. That’s why Audi is profitable and GM is not. As far as power goes, Audi hears you loud and clear. 2009 will bring a 350HP 2.5L 5-cylinder Turbo and the VR6 is upped to 3.6L with 280HP for its TT. Spied: 2010 Audi TT-RS Roadster As far as Audi and BMW is concerned, it is clear that BMW is arrogant. If rear wheel drive is superior then why does BMW offer AWD xi models now? Maybe it’s because Audi is starting to smoke them in sales too? BMW vs. Audi in a war of words The N/A A4 is equivalent to the N/A BMW 328 as the N/A S4 is equivalent to the TT BMW 335 as the RS4 is equivalent to the BMW M3. So comparing apples to apples,Audi is the better car. P.S.: When is GM coming out with their 300HP LNF upgrade?

Only in your world. The S5 and M3 are truly competitors. The RS4 is really a joke. The 335 smokes the S4 and the 328 is considered by most in the know to be the best entry level luxury sedan. Again, you keep dreamin...a fool and his foolish ego never separate in dreams or in reality.

[bigblau]

Originally Posted by -Zenith- Forced induction will be the future of engine technology. The fact that my GXP can challenge any of the world's best sports cars under $40k and still get roughly 30mpg is proof that the Ecotec engine is as powerful and efficient as any on the market.

You got that right. Even Audi is going with Eaton’s TVS kompressor for it’s V6s to replace its V8. I still prefer low maintenance normally aspirated engines. But that would not stop me from buying an Audi kompressor. In Europe, VW offers a great 1.4L kompressor and turbo. Great gas mileage they say and they also say it feel more like a N/A V6. But does that make the LTT a less worthy contender? I'm not saying that I don't want GM to offer the LNF, I just want more options the just a 2.4L peaky dog.

Originally Posted by Deepbluegxp Maybe you missed this, in case you are wondering, there hasn't been any Solstice turbo engines that have blown up.

How many years has Solstice been offering a Turbo, 2007 was the first year wasn’t it? So, one year and turbo problems? Boy that’s a record to be proud of.

And now on to Mi Amigo.

Originally Posted by StevieG Again, you keep dreamin...a fool and his foolish ego never separate in dreams or in reality.

So, I see that only your opinion matters. I call that arrogance without an ego. You show me someone without an ego and I’ll show you a loser like yourself. Tiger Woods and Robert Lutz both have egos but they are not arrogant. You may not have an ego but you are an arrogant loser. I didn’t realize that BMW followers shared the sublime bliss of Ford enthusiasts in the US. I’d like to know what real BMW enthusiasts think of BMW turbo charging their great I-6.

Mercedes, Ferrari, Porsche, GM, VW all make great cars. BMW is not the only one and the I-6 is not necessarily the best fit for all cars. Good engine but not any better then any other six, be it a V, boxer, or VR design. There even happens to be many consumers with money who actuallyprefer the Audi as I do. That's why Audi can command a greater price than BMW. It's called Basic Economics I. Audi doesn't have to act like a cheap whore in order to sell their cars.

You seem to measure performance by shallow objective horsepower figures, 0-60 times, and quarter mile runs. That’s fine, but if performance was merely objective then Peugeot and Corvette would have won LeMans the past two years. I happen to measure street performance by a more subjective safe surefooted feeling. I like the feel of the low rpm torque that gives me the pulling feeling. I like the feeling of Audi AWD Quattro system in the wet and dry for normal spirited street driving. Others obviously do too, otherwise Audi would not be steadily increasing its sale for the past few decades.

You, mi amigo, are nothing but an arrogant, bullying, moron! You don’t want a V6 in a Solstice, fine don’t buy one but leave those of us who do alone. So no V6 because Stevie says he doesn’t want one. What an arrogant snob!

[Deepbluegxp]

Originally Posted by bigblau How many years has Solstice been offering a Turbo, 2007 was the first year wasn’t it? So, one year and turbo problems? Boy that’s a record to be proud of.

Hello - with 2009s taking delivery, that would make it the 3rd year in production.

[bigblau]

Originally Posted by Deepbluegxp Hello - with 2009s taking delivery, that would make it the 3rd year in production.

Let me see.

2008 - 2007 = 1 year.

2009 is on January 1, 2009, today is July 31, 2008. Are you saying that Turbos were selling in July, 2006. Maybe, but I got my Sol in May 2006 and no Turbos yet. If there were there couldn't have been too many. But if that's the case then two years and no turbo problems? Boy, I am impressed! Why would anyone want a V8 if you can have a maintenance free I-4 turbo?

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by bigblau "You, mi amigo, are nothing but an arrogant, bullying, moron! You don’t want a V6 in a Solstice, fine don’t buy one but leave those of us who do alone. So no V6 because Stevie says he doesn’t want one. What an arrogant snob!

Amazing logic. I don't want to confuse you here, but I could care less about a V-6 Solstice whether they made one or not. I just think you are passing your logic onto others. You're the one adamantly suggesting a V-6 Solstice despite the fact that Lutz, many here, and GM has said a V-6 Kappa will never be produced. You then argue that FI variants are much less reliable than N/A counterparts, and go on some schizophrenic tangent on that. You my boy, have lost it. I kinda enjoyed laughing privately at you for your inherent stubborness in sticking with this idea. Then you essentially worship at the FI powerplant of the Nissan GT-R. Your logic and intellect truly escapes me.
Audis sales are improving. I've bought 2 of them, and they are decent vehicles. But, they are not in M-B or BMWs leagues and the cost for what you get performance wise, is a waste.

[Deepbluegxp]

haha - could be starting to piss me off but I'll play.

Owners took first deliver of 2007 GXPs in 2006, first production runs were in June - see post 6/21 US 2007 Solstice GXP allocation information update

Hence, the same for the following year. GXPsy Rose's 2008 is over 1 year old. and of course like I said ealier, the 2009s are starting to be delivered. Check Pointiac.com locater


Wait that means we're on the third year of deliveries.

[bigblau]

Originally Posted by StevieG Amazing logic. I don't want to confuse you here, but I could care less about a V-6 Solstice whether they made one or not. I just think you are passing your logic onto others. You're the one adamantly suggesting a V-6 Solstice despite the fact that Lutz, many here, and GM has said a V-6 Kappa will never be produced. You then argue that FI variants are much less reliable than N/A counterparts, and go on some schizophrenic tangent on that. You my boy, have lost it. I kinda enjoyed laughing privately at you for your inherent stubborness in sticking with this idea. Then you essentially worship at the FI powerplant of the Nissan GT-R. Your logic and intellect truly escapes me. Audis sales are improving. I've bought 2 of them, and they are decent vehicles. But, they are not in M-B or BMWs leagues and the cost for what you get performance wise, is a waste.

If you don't care then why do you keep posting? Why don't you just let me have my fun?

[bigblau]

Originally Posted by Deepbluegxp haha - could be starting to piss me off but I'll play. Owners took first deliver of 2007 GXPs in 2006, first production runs were in June - see post 6/21 US 2007 Solstice GXP allocation information update Hence, the same for the following year. GXPsy Rose's 2008 is over 1 year old. and of course like I said ealier, the 2009s are starting to be delivered. Check Pointiac.com locater

2008 - 2006 = 2 years.

Ok, two years and no turbo problems? That's real good. Might have to get one myself.

[StevieG]

[quote=bigblau;729770]

2008 - 2006 = 2 years.

Ok, two years and no turbo problems? That's real good. Might have to get one myself.[/QUOTE

I post because someone has to let the record sit straight. Listening to you, the record is quite curvilinear. In addition, that would be 28K miles on my GXP and some of those at WOT at that. I can attest, the engine is good. The other parts, well, that may be a problem. But engine wise, nothing from Audi comes close to the LNF. Nuff said. You keep buying that overpriced overweight overwraught pseudo-Teutonic junk. OK? Leave the Solstice for us here.]

[BaldTurboFreak]

I think Pootietang put it best when he said : " I be mom'n the Whombays and Suoobin' the wapomies! Sahdahtayh!"

[bradyb]

Doesn't Bigblau know that the majority of the Audis sold in the US over the last 5 years are forced induction?

A4 1.8T
TT 1.8T

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by bradyb Doesn't Bigblau know that the majority of the Audis sold in the US over the last 5 years are forced induction? A4 1.8T TT 1.8T

No question that is true. Because of Audi's quest to compete with M-B and BMW, their cars were given an injection of more luxurious appointments and more powerful drivetrains. They single handedly forced BMW to go the V-8 route for their M3 because the S4 S5 and RS4 were adding V-8 power. BigBlau forgets this. BMW has been steadfast in their use of N/A inlne 6 engines, save for the range-topping V-12s, and the V-10 that powers the M6 and M5. I happen to like the inline 6 TT in my 335, and I'll admit to my bias. But I am not asking for that engine to be stuffed into a Pontiac Solstice.
I respect Audi. But, they pale in comparison in every segment with M-B and BMW. They are a distant third, but let BigBlau tell you--they are the best.

[lil goat]

I did a "test run" against the so called superior Audi V-6, from about 70 to 115 I pulled away slightly, by no means a flogging, oh did I mention I was in fifth gear the whole time top down A/C on. If I had bothered to down shift I would have just driven away.

[007GXP]

Originally Posted by bigblau And now on to Mi Amigo. So, I see that only your opinion matters. I call that arrogance without an ego. You show me someone without an ego and I’ll show you a loser like yourself. Tiger Woods and Robert Lutz both have egos but they are not arrogant. You may not have an ego but you are an arrogant loser. I didn’t realize that BMW followers shared the sublime bliss of Ford enthusiasts in the US. I’d like to know what real BMW enthusiasts think of BMW turbo charging their great I-6. Mercedes, Ferrari, Porsche, GM, VW all make great cars. BMW is not the only one and the I-6 is not necessarily the best fit for all cars. Good engine but not any better then any other six, be it a V, boxer, or VR design. There even happens to be many consumers with money who actuallyprefer the Audi as I do. That's why Audi can command a greater price than BMW. It's called Basic Economics I. Audi doesn't have to act like a cheap whore in order to sell their cars. You seem to measure performance by shallow objective horsepower figures, 0-60 times, and quarter mile runs. That’s fine, but if performance was merely objective then Peugeot and Corvette would have won LeMans the past two years. I happen to measure street performance by a more subjective safe surefooted feeling. I like the feel of the low rpm torque that gives me the pulling feeling. I like the feeling of Audi AWD Quattro system in the wet and dry for normal spirited street driving. Others obviously do too, otherwise Audi would not be steadily increasing its sale for the past few decades. You, mi amigo, are nothing but an arrogant, bullying, moron! You don’t want a V6 in a Solstice, fine don’t buy one but leave those of us who do alone. So no V6 because Stevie says he doesn’t want one. What an arrogant snob!

What have you got against cheap whores? They work hard for the money and get the same result so as a value shopper, it seems way a more intelligent choice.

BTW, Stevie hates me way more than you.