Audi 2.0T versus Solstice 2.0 LNF

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by 007GXP What have you got against cheap whores? They work hard for the money and get the same result so as a value shopper, it seems way a more intelligent choice. BTW, Stevie hates me way more than you.

Wrongo. I don't hate either one of you. I have disagreed with many of BigBlau's points of view and seemingly with yours as well. I don't hate brother, but I call a spade a spade.

"I don't understand all the V-6 mania either. BMW refuses to build V-6s for obvious reasons, and yet many people assume a V-6 is the answer to every question, when in fact, it is just a compromise that accomplishes nothing."

Those would be your words there, 007 one. So, realistically speaking. You and I agree here. I want you to know that.

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by bigblau If you don't care then why do you keep posting? Why don't you just let me have my fun?

Let's see;
You never driven a Solstice GXP.
You've been a member here since Feb 2006.
You've never driven a vehicle with the 2.0L LNF.
You're an Audi fan, so be it.
You've never driven a Solstice GXP, manual or automatic.
You like V-6 power, so be it.
You haven't driven a Solstice GXP--EVER, by your own admission. Not 5 ft, not one mile.
You haven't driven the TT Inline-6 3.0 in the BMW 1, 3, or 5 series vehicles.
You call BMW a whore for going after auto sales aggressivley.
You've called me so many irrelevant names that I deem you irrelevant.

I simply enjoy totally eating at your credibility. You have no credibility other than the fantasy of the world you live in. Have a great day overthere.

[bigblau]

Originally Posted by StevieG Let's see; You never driven a Solstice GXP. You've been a member here since Feb 2006. You've never driven a vehicle with the 2.0L LNF. You're an Audi fan, so be it. You've never driven a Solstice GXP, manual or automatic. You like V-6 power, so be it. You haven't driven a Solstice GXP--EVER, by your own admission. Not 5 ft, not one mile. You haven't driven the TT Inline-6 3.0 in the BMW 1, 3, or 5 series vehicles. You call BMW a whore for going after auto sales aggressivley. You've called me so many irrelevant names that I deem you irrelevant. I simply enjoy totally eating at your credibility. You have no credibility other than the fantasy of the world you live in. Have a great day overthere.

I must really be bugging you for you to put so much time and effort into trying to discredit me. First you imply that my feedback letter from Mr. Lutz was a forgery. Then you say that I don’t know anything about the V6 engine when I spent ten years of my youth building the things. All I can say is, GET A LIFE MISTER!

I’m going to try this only one more time and I'm done.

You never driven a Solstice GXP.

• I’ve never driven a Solstice GXP and never will because I don’t need to. My Pontiac salesman doesn’t even suggest it because he knows what I like in a car and turbo is not it. That’s why I have a N/A V6 Audi A4 and not a Turbo I-4 –could have saved myself almost $8,000 if I did.

You see, my salesman use to sell VWs and Audis and he knows what I want. Although I’m not at his insane extreme level, he is also a big displacement man himself –has a 520cu.in. Chevy in his Nova SS.

Waste of time to test drive something I’m not interested in and I’m not going to do it just because you say so. In Spain, nobody test drives a vehicle before they buy it. For the most part, there are no cars on the site unless it’s used. Most new cars are ordered by the customer at the dealer. People over here know what they want and just order it. Driving is a passion not a mode of transportation.

You've been a member here since Feb 2006.

• I’ve been a member here since Feb. 2006. What’s that got to do with anything?

You've never driven a vehicle with the 2.0L LNF.

• I’ve never driven a vehicle with the 2.0L LNF. But what has that got to do with anything? I’ve driven a 1983 or 84 Mercury Capri RS 2.3L Turbo back in the day –belonged to a friend of mine. Felt more like something BTF would build today –power above 3,000rmp. Lot of fun but not very practical or reliable for that matter –went through two turbos in two years. I’ve also driven a 2000 Audi A4 150HP 1.8L, 2002 Audi A4 170HP 1.8L, 2002 Audi TT 225HP 1.8L, 2008 Audi TT 200HP 2.0L, and 2008 Audi A3 140HP 2.0L TDI –great milage and pull like crazy the longer you keep you foot in it. Nice but not my cup of tie. You can have your turbos, I’ll take old fashion American cubic inches. No V8s need apply –there is no need for overkill on the street.

You're an Audi fan, so be it.

• I’m an Audi Quattro believer because I like that safe on-rails feeling Quattro offers on the street in wet and dry. You’re a BMW fan, what’s that got to do with anything?

You've never driven a Solstice GXP, manual or automatic.

• Again, I’ve never driven a Solstice GXP, manual or automatic. I think I addressed that one before in your first point. What, you getting flustered or something?

You like V-6 power, so be it.

• Yes, I like V6 power and I’ve stated the reasons. You disagree, so be it.

You haven't driven a Solstice GXP--EVER, by your own admission. Not 5 ft, not one mile.

• Again, I have not driven a GXP –not even five feet.

You haven't driven the TT Inline-6 3.0 in the BMW 1, 3, or 5 series vehicles.

• No I haven’t driven the TT Inline-6 3.0 in the BMW 1, 3, or 5 series vehicles. But AVIS did give me the choice of either driving the Audi A3 140HP 2.0L TDI or the BMW 118d 143HP 2.0L Diesel. Sort of wish I had taken the BMW –I wasn’t really too pleased with the FWD A3.
BMW Serie 1 tres puertas : Introduction : BMW España

You call BMW a whore for going after auto sales aggressivley.

• I did not call you a whore. I implied that BMW, as GM, are acting like cheap whores trying to sell their product.

You've called me so many irrelevant names that I deem you irrelevant.

• If you look back at the other thread you will see that I only started calling you irrelevant after you started insulting me honor by trying to discredit my credibility and gloating about it. Below are some examples of your quotes directed at me.

Originally Posted by StevieG I've listened to you about this V-6 engine stuff, largely unintelligible gibberish that you have no clue about.

Originally Posted by StevieG But to persist in your pathetic and ill-informed manner in regards to inline-6s vs V-6s you come across as foolish, trivial, and very argumentative.

Originally Posted by StevieG The thing is, Blau, you are not credible so myself, and I suspect others here...

Originally Posted by StevieG You are so tangential in thinking, I think you should get an award here for most schizophrenic poster.

And my favorite.

Originally Posted by StevieG Dude, I'll put my 335i up against anything you have stock-to-stock with a V-6 and I'll bet you'll quiet down real quick after that. Take me 2 minutes to prove my point. End of story.

Look, I don’t even know you. All I know is that my postings, in hopes of trying to get GM to use their Award Winning 3.6L 304HP D/I 60-degree V6 in the Kappa, has upset you.

You seem to prefer the I-6 for some baffling reason. Let me be the first to tell you, the V8 will fit in a Kappa, but a I-6 will not. I suspect GMs Award winning 60-degree LTT will fit just nicely, with very little modification, if they wanted to. I may be wrong but I can only speculate that GM and Mr. Lutz specified that they did not want a V6 in the kappa because GM did not have the LTT available at the time. What ever the reason, I would like to purchase a V6 Solstice from GM if they offered it.

Now please, I’m getting tired of this. I have to work for a living and have a life after that. I can’t be wasting my time like this. So please, next time you see any of my treads and or posting, PLEASE JUST IGNORE THEM! Have a good day!

Thank you for your cooperation in advance.

[Mr. Stone]

I've owned VAG products before. The reliability isn't anything to be proud of. The VR6, and 3.2l will never see 300 whp without F/I and for those of us power hungry, that's boo-boo. The LNF is capable of that.

Before reliability due to modding comes up- it's part of getting your hands in there. If you're modding a car, you stand that chance.

Having said all that, I think blau has something. It would be something special to hear the kind of V6 grunt underneath you. It may never see the power gains on the cheap like the LNF can, but the experience would be wholly different.

I'd be cool either way.

In terms of outrunning a V8. My S/C 2.4l outruns modded Mustang GT's all the time.

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by bigblau I must really be bugging you for you to put so much time and effort into trying to discredit me. First you imply that my feedback letter from Mr. Lutz was a forgery. Then you say that I don’t know anything about the V6 engine when I spent ten years of my youth building the things. All I can say is, GET A LIFE MISTER! I’m going to try this only one more time and I'm done. • I’ve never driven a Solstice GXP and never will because I don’t need to. My Pontiac salesman doesn’t even suggest it because he knows what I like in a car and turbo is not it. That’s why I have a N/A V6 Audi A4 and not a Turbo I-4 –could have saved myself almost $8,000 if I did. You see, my salesman use to sell VWs and Audis and he knows what I want. Although I’m not at his insane extreme level, he is also a big displacement man himself –has a 520cu.in. Chevy in his Nova SS. Waste of time to test drive something I’m not interested in and I’m not going to do it just because you say so. In Spain, nobody test drives a vehicle before they buy it. For the most part, there are no cars on the site unless it’s used. Most new cars are ordered by the customer at the dealer. People over here know what they want and just order it. Driving is a passion not a mode of transportation. • I’ve been a member here since Feb. 2006. What’s that got to do with anything? • I’ve never driven a vehicle with the 2.0L LNF. But what has that got to do with anything? I’ve driven a 1983 or 84 Mercury Capri RS 2.3L Turbo back in the day –belonged to a friend of mine. Felt more like something BTF would build today –power above 3,000rmp. Lot of fun but not very practical or reliable for that matter –went through two turbos in two years. I’ve also driven a 2000 Audi A4 150HP 1.8L, 2002 Audi A4 170HP 1.8L, 2002 Audi TT 225HP 1.8L, 2008 Audi TT 200HP 2.0L, and 2008 Audi A3 140HP 2.0L TDI –great milage and pull like crazy the longer you keep you foot in it. Nice but not my cup of tie. You can have your turbos, I’ll take old fashion American cubic inches. No V8s need apply –there is no need for overkill on the street. • I’m an Audi Quattro believer because I like that safe on-rails feeling Quattro offers on the street in wet and dry. You’re a BMW fan, what’s that got to do with anything? • Again, I’ve never driven a Solstice GXP, manual or automatic. I think I addressed that one before in your first point. What, you getting flustered or something? • Yes, I like V6 power and I’ve stated the reasons. You disagree, so be it. • Again, I have not driven a GXP –not even five feet. • No I haven’t driven the TT Inline-6 3.0 in the BMW 1, 3, or 5 series vehicles. But AVIS did give me the choice of either driving the Audi A3 140HP 2.0L TDI or the BMW 118d 143HP 2.0L Diesel. Sort of wish I had taken the BMW –I wasn’t really too pleased with the FWD A3. BMW Serie 1 tres puertas : Introduction : BMW España • I did not call you a whore. I implied that BMW, as GM, are acting like cheap whores trying to sell their product. • If you look back at the other thread you will see that I only started calling you irrelevant after you started insulting me honor by trying to discredit my credibility and gloating about it. Below are some examples of your quotes directed at me. And my favorite. Look, I don’t even know you. All I know is that my postings, in hopes of trying to get GM to use their Award Winning 3.6L 304HP D/I 60-degree V6 in the Kappa, has upset you. You seem to prefer the I-6 for some baffling reason. Let me be the first to tell you, the V8 will fit in a Kappa, but a I-6 will not. I suspect GMs Award winning 60-degree LTT will fit just nicely, with very little modification, if they wanted to. I may be wrong but I can only speculate that GM and Mr. Lutz specified that they did not want a V6 in the kappa because GM did not have the LTT available at the time. What ever the reason, I would like to purchase a V6 Solstice from GM if they offered it. Now please, I’m getting tired of this. I have to work for a living and have a life after that. I can’t be wasting my time like this. So please, next time you see any of my treads and or posting, PLEASE JUST IGNORE THEM! Have a good day! Thank you for your cooperation in advance.

You get no such reprieve here. You have consistently misconstrued everybody else's argument here. I won't rehash your points, YOU ARE A WASTE OF TIME. What I will say is you might think differently if you ever had seat time behind the wheel of an LNF powered vehicle.
I know the I-6 won't fit in a Kappa vehicle. I know a V-6 won't fit in a kappa vehicle. I think BMWs I-6 is one of the best engineered and most dynamic engine families on the plantet. I spoke with my wallet buying 7 over the past 10 years and buying the Solstice. You see, I know what I need and I know what a car provides because I test drive them constantly. You don't. In your fantasy world, a V-6 Kappa is the be it all and end all, but how do you know--it is fantasy is all. You have no real world existence.

I wished after I bought my Dodge Ram in 2004 that the 5.9L Cummins high output turbo diesel would make its way to Hummer for the H3 or H2. Wishful fantasy was all. That I-6 5.9L in the Dodge is one beast of a truck motor and I would have bought an H3 with a diesel if offered. Wrong company, wrong dream. I say wrong dream to you, but sweet dreams as well.

[Deepbluegxp]

His loss, let it be

[meekna]

.... and uh GM has been putting turbos on engine since the mid 80's here in the US, plus a few straglers earlier than that... Granted some of the gas versions weren't that successful, but diesel counts.

Consider GM's ownership world-wide, all of which have well versed turbo experience; Saab, Volvo, Vauxhall(Opel)... it keeps going. I would count that GM has 1-2yrs experience in anything.

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by meekna .... and uh GM has been putting turbos on engine since the mid 80's here in the US, plus a few straglers earlier than that... Granted some of the gas versions weren't that successful, but diesel counts. Consider GM's ownership world-wide, all of which have well versed turbo experience; Saab, Volvo, Vauxhall(Opel)... it keeps going. I would count that GM has 1-2yrs experience in anything.

Point well taken. But, our BigOne is convinced that FI variants offer less reliability than N/A variants. In addition, he misses entirely that Audi is going the FI way, but hypocritically, that is OK with him because it is Audi. Go figure.

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by 007GXP What have you got against cheap whores? They work hard for the money and get the same result so as a value shopper, it seems way a more intelligent choice. BTW, Stevie hates me way more than you.

Ohhh now I get it. You are someone I know who had the audacity to change his nick on the forum, yet continues to post here as if no one would figure it out. 1st post date, Feb 2008. Last past by our legal mind, Feb 08. Lives in DC. Has a Honda and 2 GMs. Only one individual I know fits that bill.

Cats out of the bag fella. Missed your cynicism and sarcasm though. I don't hate you, I just listened to your irrational rationale and came to valid conclusions. You had to change your nick because your credibility otherwise was shot. Like the profitable threads. Like Sols as investments. That's you. I for one have figured you out. DC area. Cynical posts. Attempts to come in backhanded like in this thread. You should stayed anonymou then you could have AT LEAST remain cloaked like a Klingon.

[bigblau]

Originally Posted by 007GXP What have you got against cheap whores? They work hard for the money and get the same result so as a value shopper, it seems way a more intelligent choice. BTW, Stevie hates me way more than you.

I have nothing against cheap whores, I just don't want to take one home with me, if you know what I mean.

So you say Stevie hates you too. Very interesting. Now I'm beginning to get a clear picture of what the problem is with Stevie. He has a very low self esteem and thus has a need to put others down in order to raise himself up. He just can't let go. Stems from having no ego. Very typical of people with this condition. They also tend to be very argumentative and delusional. He even claims to know that the LTT will not fit in a Solstice. Has he ever tried it?

Very, very sad situation. With every post he is self-destructing before our very eyes. There is nothing anyone can do to help him except pray.

Originally Posted by StevieG Ohhh now I get it. You are someone I know who had the audacity to change his nick on the forum, yet continues to post here as if no one would figure it out. 1st post date, Feb 2008. Last past by our legal mind, Feb 08. Lives in DC. Has a Honda and 2 GMs. Only one individual I know fits that bill. Cats out of the bag fella. Missed your cynicism and sarcasm though. I don't hate you, I just listened to your irrational rationale and came to valid conclusions. You had to change your nick because your credibility otherwise was shot. Like the profitable threads. Like Sols as investments. That's you. I for one have figured you out. DC area. Cynical posts. Attempts to come in backhanded like in this thread. You should stayed anonymou then you could have AT LEAST remain cloaked like a Klingon.

Just look at the anger and hatred in him. Sad indeed!

[BaldTurboFreak]

I like cheap whores, you can operate them with the disdain and brutal disrespect that you wouldnt apply to your "Good" whore. lol.

You guys are killin' me with this stuff! lol.

It seems to me the most reliable engines I get across my dyno are factory turbo/blower stuff that is untouched,unmolested. They are usually so overbuilt for the job, turn less rpm (inertial loads are huge compared to power loads), and have to small a huffer on them to break parts. UNless your deliberatly treating it like a cheap whore.
The ALL have to pass the same 200hour peaktorque/peak HP duribility cycle so really is one less reliable than the other when it comes time for release?

[bigblau]

I can't argue with you BTF. I respect your work and you clearly have more experience then I ever will. I haven’t built an engine in over thirteen years and my experience back then was that normally aspirated engines tended to be more reliable due to the fact that less stress is applied to the engine and thus will always last longer. The LNF is more expensive then the LTT so GM must have the parts in there.

I realize that because of the current price of fuel and government mandated fuel economy and stricter emissions standards manufacturers have no other option but to go back to forced induction.

I keep my cars for a long time. I don’t trade seven cars in ten years like others do, so reliability is very important to me. I love the consistent reliable power delivery and low end torque of my 1993 VW Corrado VR6. It’s just a pleasure to drive. I’ve had that car for over fourteen years now and the engine has been flawless. It has been stored for as much as two year at a time and never a problem. I am skeptical that a turbo can be stored for so long without deteriorating.

Hey, about the cheap whore thing. I like them too, friendliest bunch of girls you’d ever want to meet.

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by bigblau I have nothing against cheap whores, I just don't want to take one home with me, if you know what I mean. So you say Stevie hates you too. Very interesting. Now I'm beginning to get a clear picture of what the problem is with Stevie. He has a very low self esteem and thus has a need to put others down in order to raise himself up. He just can't let go. Stems from having no ego. Very typical of people with this condition. They also tend to be very argumentative and delusional. He even claims to know that the LTT will not fit in a Solstice. Has he ever tried it? Very, very sad situation. With every post he is self-destructing before our very eyes. There is nothing anyone can do to help him except pray. Just look at the anger and hatred in him. Sad indeed!

No anger in that quote. No animosity in that quote. Only point is 007GXP is not who he purports to be but is an old nemesis is all. That being said, you can join his group. Fools and their foolish egos never part. I have a healthy ego, live in a world of great esteem, and carry myself well. Thank you, Sigmund, for the analysis. Wrong as you were...

[StevieG]

Originally Posted by BaldTurboFreak I like cheap whores, you can operate them with the disdain and brutal disrespect that you wouldnt apply to your "Good" whore. lol. You guys are killin' me with this stuff! lol. It seems to me the most reliable engines I get across my dyno are factory turbo/blower stuff that is untouched,unmolested. They are usually so overbuilt for the job, turn less rpm (inertial loads are huge compared to power loads), and have to small a huffer on them to break parts. UNless your deliberatly treating it like a cheap whore. The ALL have to pass the same 200hour peaktorque/peak HP duribility cycle so really is one less reliable than the other when it comes time for release?

According to the arrogant V-6 know it all from the otherside of nowhere, yes, the FI variants are less reliable than the N/A counterparts. He has stated this emphatically. He blows so much hot air, he could raise a blimp just by his exhausted breath. The guy has no CRED. He got a form letter from Lutz, he thinks, discussing I-6 diesels for the Wrangler and wanted to extropalate that data to V-6s in Solstices. For the record, Lutz and others within GM have repeatedly said a V-6 application for the Solstice will NEVER happen and that the V-6s don't fit. That would be period.

[bigblau]

Originally Posted by StevieG According to the arrogant V-6 know it all from the otherside of nowhere, yes, the FI variants are less reliable than the N/A counterparts. He has stated this emphatically. He blows so much hot air, he could raise a blimp just by his exhausted breath. The guy has no CRED. He got a form letter from Lutz, he thinks, discussing I-6 diesels for the Wrangler and wanted to extropalate that data to V-6s in Solstices. For the record, Lutz and others within GM have repeatedly said a V-6 application for the Solstice will NEVER happen and that the V-6s don't fit. That would be period.

Oh, look it's my pen pal from New Mexico again. Don't worry, I'm praying for your Sol little Buddy! Boy, that feedback letter from Mr. Lutz sure has you all bent out of shape. Now you say that it's a form letter that Chrysler sends to people asking about the Cummins Diesel Engine in a Wrangler. You must know, I bet you get them from Mr. Lutz all the time. Your grasping at straws mi amigo! I'm starting to enjoy this.

You're the only one here with credibility problems! You claim not to hate anybody but just look at your evil venom, and "got you" mentality. How would you know anything about reliability, you do not own anything long enough -come on now, seven BMWs in ten years? What, don't them bimmers hold up? I bring my cars home to keep, no cheap whores in my house.

I've had my Audi and GMC truck for over five years, my Corrado for over fourteen, my Dasher Diesel for over 26 years and my Rabbit Diesel almost thirty-one years. No engine problems with any of them. You see Stevie, the difference between you and me is that I know what I want. I'm not a shallow swinger like you.

Seems you have a need to put others down. You've even tried to destroy the credibility of someone here that agrees with your belief that the BMW I-6 is the greatest engine on the face of the planet "for obvious reasons" -N/A or FI. Is the obvious reason that the BMW I-6 won't fit in a Solstice why it is you do not want a six cylinder in a Solstice? BTW Stevie, thank you, I couldn't have hacked him up any better myself -if I had your mentality.
http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f...tml#post720767

Stevie, you continue to deliberately misconstrue my posts. I'm actually starting to enjoy it because you are raising more attention to my cause. You state that the LTT will not fit in the Solstice because GM says it won't. Well, GM also stated that a V8 would not fit in there either. So whose the one with the credibility problem?

I have stated time and time again that the LTT makes more power then the LNF, that is a fact. From my previous experience with building engines a logical hypothesis would be that the LTT should be more reliable then the LNF because it is less stressed. According to GM, the LNF has the most specific output of any GM engine in history. That right there should raise a red flag. But who knows, if others agree that the LNF has great reliability then only time will tell, seeing that it has only been out for two years. BTW, I think it's time for you to trade in your GXP isn't it? You don't want the neighbors to think you can't afford another one.