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Old 01-27-2010, 04:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Toyota vs GM articles

I spotted these on BusinessWeek.com today:

"Toyota Quality Image May Be ĎFinishedí as Sales, Output Halted" Jan 27, 2010
Toyota Quality Image May Be ?Finished? as Sales, Output Halted - BusinessWeek

"GM Aims Incentives at Toyota Owners on Safety Concern" Jan 27. 2010
GM Aims Incentives at Toyota Owners on Safety Concern (Update2) - BusinessWeek

As a former GM employee, I still think of Toyota as Enemy #1

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Old 01-27-2010, 06:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Ugly marketing

Gotta say that I agree with the Hyundai exec's "like a vampire" comment. Specifically targeting Toyota customers with a problem car is more likely to irritate an already ticked-off car owner than it will call attention to GM quality.
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Vampire, my ass! Great move by GM. If I was in the last few months of my Camry or Corolla lease, I'd be test-driving a Malibu tomorrow.
Toyota used to make ho-hum cars with bullet-proof reliability; now they just make ho-hum cars.
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I also think it is a great move by GM.
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
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GMs not the only company smelling blood, Ford is too.
GM, Ford Pounce on Toyota Sales Halt Through New Incentives - FOXBusiness.com
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:14 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Vampire,? they(none american car companies have been doing this for YEARs), caram is a Bit**. 19 people have died do to this i read, remember the Ford Pinto. If this was a GM issue ever pundant car blog and all other companies would be all over this like flies on sh**.
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Old 01-28-2010, 11:54 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Did anyone here know that the Pontiac Vibe is actually made by Toyota??? I guess it's the Matrix underneath. ;P
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:04 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Yes, the Vibe is made by Toyota at the NUMMI plant in California. For years it was the lowest quality vehicle in Pontiac's lineup.
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:11 PM   #9 (permalink)
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But what you donít hear is the 2009 & 2010 Pontiac Vibe is also on the list for the recall. The dealers have halted sales of these cars also; but thereís only 26 left at the dealers.

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GM Stops Pontiac Vibe Sales As Part Of Toyota Recall
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But what you donít hear is the 2009 & 2010 Pontiac Vibe is also on the list for the recall. [/url]
Actually that was how I first found out about the Vibe. They announced it on the news this morning as being part of Toyota's recall list.
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Did anyone here know that the Pontiac Vibe is actually made by Toyota??? I guess it's the Matrix underneath.
The Pontiac Vibe was never made by Toyota. All Pontiac Vibes were made by NUMMI in California.

Both the Pontiac Vibe and Toyota's copy of it, the Matrix, are Corollas underneath.
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But what you donít hear is the 2009 & 2010 Pontiac Vibe is also on the list for the recall.
That is because the original media outlets ignored the Vibe's on the "sticky gas pedal" list when the story broke. From there the story was copied by most other media outlets without research

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Actually that was how I first found out about the Vibe. They announced it on the news this morning as being part of Toyota's recall list.
Today they are talking about the 2009-2010 Pontiac Vibes being added to the October recall for "floor mats and gas pedals".
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Pure genius. Is it predatory? Damn right. It's the auto business. Imagine what the press would be if EXACTLY the same equipment issue came up within GM. GM would be thrown under EVERY bus available for covering their ass, while Toyota is being praised for being out front of the issue. BS. In November they claimed the problem wasn't a concern, then it was recommended to remove the floor mat, then they had a TSB and then a recall, and now this. If GM had NOT mounted a sales campaign they would have been fools. Ford is doing the same campaign here while shutting down production of Chinese built products for EXACTLY the same problem. What amazes me about GM is how FAST they moved on this. BRAVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Pontiac Vibe was never made by Toyota. All Pontiac Vibes were made by NUMMI in California.

Both the Pontiac Vibe and Toyota's copy of it, the Matrix, are Corollas underneath.
This statement makes no sense! If the Vibe was never made by Toyota, and you just said the the Corolla was the actual car underneath, then it must be a TOYOTA. Because the Corolla IS a Toyota. Right?
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