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Old 12-23-2005, 09:13 PM
   What will the performance difference be between the 5 Speed and the Automatic?
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The gear ratios for the transmission are:

5 speed
1 3.75
2 2.26
3 1.37
4 1
5 0.73

5 speed Gear Spacing
1/2 1.49
2/3 0.89
3/4 0.37
4/5 0.27

Auto
1 3.42
2 2.21
3 1.6
4 1
5 0.75

Auto Gear Spacing
1/2 1.21
2/3 0.61
3/4 0.60
4/5 0.25

Comparing the 5sp to the automatic, First and Third seem to have a large difference in gearing. However the automatic looks like the gear spacing is more consistent between 2/3 and 3/4. Since the Automatic has a torque converter but has a higher first gear, do you think it will affect the off the line performance?
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:55 PM
  
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Why why would you ever consider an automatic for this car? I can not imagine driving this car with a slushbox. Learn how to operate a manual transmission for cryingoutloud.

Automatic fun factor: 1
Manual fun factor: 10
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:04 PM
  
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Why why would you ever consider an automatic for this car? I can not imagine driving this car with a slushbox. Learn how to operate a manual transmission for cryingoutloud.

Automatic fun factor: 1
Manual fun factor: 10

phyiscally unable to step on the clutch maybe?

or perhaps the area in which the car will be driven makes driving manual very hard (i.e. steep hills)?
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phyiscally unable to step on the clutch maybe?

or perhaps the area in which the car will be driven makes driving manual very hard (i.e. steep hills)?

Perhaps a Buick would be better suited...
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Perhaps a Buick would be better suited...
Perhaps you should "log out" to never "log in" again?

Why slam somebody that loves this car just as much as the rest of us auto or not? It's one more sale for GM, it's one more Solstice to solidify the meaning of the car to produce another model!
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Perhaps you should "log out" to never "log in" again?

Why slam somebody that loves this car just as much as the rest of us auto or not? It's one more sale for GM, it's one more Solstice to solidify the meaning of the car to produce another model!

Oops! Did I forget the ?

No slam intended. Go for a drive. Lighten up.

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Jet black is dead on.

I've been noticing alot of people on here talking about "memory seats" and "heated mirrors" and automatics.

Thats fine, but I also notice a lot of people seem to care what others think on this site. "Oh the compliments" and "Everyone thinks its an expensive car"

Well if all these people keep buying our beloved solstice it won't be much longer until it shares a reputation with that other little roadster. Its a dirt cheap sports car, not a fashion accessory.
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Old 12-24-2005, 01:16 AM
  
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Jet black is dead on.

Well if all these people keep buying our beloved solstice it won't be much longer until it shares a reputation with that other little roadster. Its a dirt cheap sports car, not a fashion accessory.

Thanks man. Let's go for a "spirited" drive some time. Maybe you can help me debadge my car! I love it when they scream...
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Why why would you ever consider an automatic for this car? I can not imagine driving this car with a slushbox. Learn how to operate a manual transmission for cryingoutloud.

Automatic fun factor: 1
Manual fun factor: 10


I understand your point, but what if the person was missing their left leg? You couldn't exactly drive stick like that.
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Jet black is dead on.

I've been noticing alot of people on here talking about "memory seats" and "heated mirrors" and automatics.

Thats fine, but I also notice a lot of people seem to care what others think on this site. "Oh the compliments" and "Everyone thinks its an expensive car"

Well if all these people keep buying our beloved solstice it won't be much longer until it shares a reputation with that other little roadster. Its a dirt cheap sports car, not a fashion accessory.


I ordered mine without all the fancy options. Just POSI, ABS, A/C, and the MP3 player.

Ok, ok... I got the power package. But that's only because I wanted to get the power door locks so I could have keyless entry / an alarm.

I would have ordered it totally stripped (no A/C) with nothing but POSI, but the wife insisted on A/C.
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But so far no one answered the question. There have been lots of slams about buying an automatic.

By the way I have been driving standard transmissions for the last thirty-four years and drive one (88 Fireo GT 5 speed) to work everyday. I also have a 5 speed in my truck and put a 10,000# trailer with it. I think I know how to drive a standard transmission. How many of you have lost the clutch linkage and had to shift without the clutch? I had that happen on 2 cars. The first car was a 64 NOVA SS with bored out 283 and 4 speed. Broke the clutch cross shaft 4 times, because it had a racing clutch. The other car was a 65 Corvair Corsa Convertible that I broke the clutch cable. Drove the cars home by starting in first gear and power shifting. How many of you have shifted without using clutch?

There are several reasons why I may go with and automatic. The first one is that my wife prefers to drive an automatic. Yes, she can drive a standard buy prefers to drive an automatic. Second, I work at a place that requires 100% ID check at the entrance. This can take anywhere from 1-2 minutes to longer then ½ hour. On a daily basis this gets tedious. Third is traffic.

Did you know that this transmission (Hydra-matic 5L40-E) has a feature call Drive Shift Control (DSC)? This feature is available on the Cadillac. “The CTS adds the Driver Shift Control DSC) feature, which allows the driver to manually select gears using the shift lever in a special console gate position.” I don’t know if it is available on these cars.

I am still looking at getting an assessment of what the differences might be.

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But so far no one answered the question. There have been lots of slams about buying an automatic.

By the way I have been driving standard transmissions for the last thirty-four years and drive one (88 Fireo GT 5 speed) to work everyday. I also have a 5 speed in my truck and put a 10,000# trailer with it. I think I know how to drive a standard transmission. How many of you have lost the clutch linkage and had to shift without the clutch? I had that happen on 2 cars. The first car was a 64 NOVA SS with bored out 283 and 4 speed. Broke the clutch cross shaft 4 times, because it had a racing clutch. The other car was a 65 Corvair Corsa Convertible that I broke the clutch cable. Drove the cars home by starting in first gear and power shifting. How many of you have shifted without using clutch?

There are several reasons why I may go with and automatic. The first one is that my wife prefers to drive an automatic. Yes, she can drive a standard buy prefers to drive an automatic. Second, I work at a place that requires 100% ID check at the entrance. This can take anywhere from 1-2 minutes to longer then ½ hour. On a daily basis this gets tedious. Third is traffic.

Did you know that this transmission (Hydra-matic 5L40-E) has a feature call Drive Shift Control (DSC)? This feature is available on the Cadillac. “The CTS adds the Driver Shift Control DSC) feature, which allows the driver to manually select gears using the shift lever in a special console gate position.” I don’t know if it is available on these cars.

I am still looking at getting an assessment of what the differences might be.

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I always get a kick out of how many people on here are Fiero owners. I too am a Fiero owner. I think I've had somewhere in the neighborhood of 9 different Fieros in the past 10 years that I've been licensed. I've never wrecked or junked one, but I buy them cheap, fix them up, etc... It's a great little car, and... I hope no one takes this the wrong way, I still... HANDS DOWN prefer my 87 Fiero SE / V6 over my Solstice for fun / sporty driving. Don't get me wrong though, this Solstice is the bomb, and I never ever intend to sell it.. ever.

Anyway, to answer your question. I don't have a definitive answer for you based on facts, but I CAN say though, that with what I have had experience with, I know that newer GM transmissions are quite a bit more efficient than they used to be. You might be familiar with the 3-Speed TurboHydromatic 125C that was offered in the Fieros.

Modern GM transmissions are quite a bit more efficient (sames goes for Ford actually). The shifts are firmer, less heat and slippage, and the gears are tighter. The experience I've had with my 4T60E Automatic in the two 97 Grand Ams that I've owned have been QUITE good. They shift quick and firm (in stock form).

That said, if you happen to pull up to a stick shift Solstice at a stop light, unless someone like Michael Schumacher is driving it, there's probably a pretty good chance that you'll beat him considering that the transmission will be able to shift quicker than he will.

One thing to consider when comparing it to the Fiero... as you know, the Fiero has a transversally mounted FRONT WHEEL DRIVE layout that's simply placed in the back. With transverse transmissions, the differential is built into the transmission. On our Solstices, the differential is built into the rear end. So, there's an excellent chance that the automatics will probably come with the same rear-end gear ratios as the manuals.

I suspect that the difference would be negligeble to none. And it's quite possible that it might be quicker on the shifts than your average stick shift driver.

But like I said, I don't have any facts, that's just my first impression...
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Old 12-24-2005, 10:45 AM
  
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Thank you for giving me your impressions. I am really torn on this issue. I love driving standard transmissions, however I am also tried of waiting in line with my foot on the clutch. I am also thinking that with an automatic there will be less clunking in the drive train.

By the way I have 2 Fieros. I have an 88GT 5 speed and my son has an 86 GT 4 speed. The 86 has been great for him. He had no interest in cars until we got it. Now he will to at least try to troubleshoot and fix a problem. We offered him a more practical car when he went off to collage and he said no.
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I'd bet the auto will sap some 8-12 rear wheel horsepower due to the rather significant aditional rotational mass. It will probably also add at least another 50-75 pounds to the overall weight of the car. In an otherwise stock large V8 car, GTO, Mustang, Trans Am and the like, the efficiency of the auto can sometimes overcome these two issues and still net similar 0-60 and quater mile times especially when compared against an inexperienced stick driver. On the four banger Sol that can already use a diet and all the free, rear wheel horsepower it can get, I'd expect the auto cars to give up quite a bit in straight line performace.
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