It's official SETUP announces GMPP STAGE KIT for GXP (confirmed at MECCA II)

[Moose GXP]

Originally Posted by lil goat In the long run GM will be more expensive and most likely less power than the alternatives, they have durability tests and the EPA to answer to, independent tuners do not. If it does not meet EPA standards it has to be labeled off road use only. I wonder if the GM kit will be Ca. legal? I just hope they sell it in pieces instead of a whole kit.

I agree completely.

[bradsol]

Now this is an exciting thread to follow. Hurry up GM...give us some details!

[Rusty]

Ahh, but it sounds like the entire kit will carry a full warranty & piecemeal will probably not. For those of you who have already kiissed-off the warranty, that may not matter. For those of us who want a warranty, waiting for the kit might be the preferred course of action.

From where did the 312 - 315 HP/torque numbers come? And, do we know if that's at the flywheel or rear wheels? Even if those #s are at the flywheel, that may be enough of an increase for me; especially if it carries the full warranty.

[imaj]

Originally Posted by lil goat In the long run GM will be more expensive and most likely less power than the alternatives, they have durability tests and the EPA to answer to, independent tuners do not. If it does not meet EPA standards it has to be labeled off road use only. I wonder if the GM kit will be Ca. legal? I just hope they sell it in pieces instead of a whole kit.

Warrantee, Warrantee, Warrantee lil goat. Thats all I am concerned about. I understand that the tune you have is great and all. But, it does not come from GM and it does not have a Warrantee.

Plus, do you have any sort of vested interest in the Wester's tune? How has this tune been tested?

[mena661]

But, it does not come from GM and it does not have a Warrantee.

The only warranteed upgrade you'll see from GM is a power boost directly from the factory. In other words, you'll have hope that GM decides to up the power to 300 hp.

[lil goat]

With just the tune, I doubt there is a mechanic working at a Pontiac dealer that would ever notice the tune unless he drove it off the lot, most never do.. GM sells a lot of performance parts that are not warrantied, they always have. That is what GMPP is all about. It would be very foolish to add the performance to the car and to not have a warranty disclaimer. If you want a warranty then leave the car alone and just drive it. I have warranty work done on my car all the time, the dealer knows everything that has been done. I no longer have a warranty on my intercooler or exhaust or cat, because I replaced them, I do have a better warranty from Dejon and Solo. Other than that everything is still under warranty, getting a shock replaced next week. I have no vested interest in Westers, I like the product, it works. It has even been tested by GM and I will leave it at that. Pontiac did give Westers are free Solstice to develop the tune. I have four cars with Westers tunes in my family, known him for several years.

[MomsSol]

Originally Posted by imaj Warrantee, Warrantee, Warrantee lil goat. Thats all I am concerned about. I understand that the tune you have is great and all. But, it does not come from GM and it does not have a Warrantee. Plus, do you have any sort of vested interest in the Wester's tune? How has this tune been tested?

Just a point of info - even a GMPP, the ONLY warranty is on the PART itself - if the installation of a GMPP were to cause a issue/problem then there would NOT be warranty coverage.

For example: You install a GMPP CAI ... you have a MAF failure - your dealership has the option to not cover the MAF replacement under warranty because you have modified your Air Intake.

[imaj]

I do not understand! Here is the post from LatinVenom...

"Just came back from NOPI Florida, while there I'd ask the GM person introducing the Cobalt SS with our engine about the Stage Kit for our car.
He said is still been tested since GM wants for the Stage Kit to pass the 5 year 100K mile warranty.
He also mentioned that is about 312-315 BHP and torque and because of the increase it needs to pass all there endurance test.
So it maybe a while before this Stage Kit becomes available."

Looks like they (GM) are concerned about the warranty in the above post. LatinVenom, are you incorrect in quoting your source?

just trying to get things straight.

Thanks!

[MomsSol]

Originally Posted by imaj I do not understand! Here is the post from LatinVenom... "Just came back from NOPI Florida, while there I'd ask the GM person introducing the Cobalt SS with our engine about the Stage Kit for our car. He said is still been tested since GM wants for the Stage Kit to pass the 5 year 100K mile warranty. He also mentioned that is about 312-315 BHP and torque and because of the increase it needs to pass all there endurance test. So it maybe a while before this Stage Kit becomes available." Looks like they (GM) are concerned about the warranty in the above post. LatinVenom, are you incorrect in quoting your source? just trying to get things straight. Thanks!

I believe that the ONLY way that the Stage Kit would be covered under the 5/100 warranty would be IF it were FACTORY. Purely speculation on my part - but maybe THIS is the rumored 300hp for the Solstice Coupe GXP.

Just an FYI ..... if you do a search on the SCCA championships from this year you will see mentioned a "tune" that was performed by GM Performance.

[LatinVenom]

The GM person(s) specifically said the reason we have not brought it out yet is because we want to make sure it last. It is easily making 312 BHP (Flywheel) and with this type of increase it has to meet our requirements for durability.
They were not only addressing the Solstice/SKY community but also the new Cobalt SS and the HHR SS, since it is the same engine on all the cars.
Another thing he mentioned was a display (Cobalt SS) that they are working on that would give a lot of information about the engine.
The new Cobalt SS coming out has a boost gauge on the pilar and he said that it was not enough and the display would take the place of the boost gauge.
There was also a GXP that GM supports that is pretty much stock as far as the engine components other than a special tune been use for drifting.
Is making around 330 BHP, using ALL the stock parts such as IC pipes and intercooler, same hoses and clamps. The suspension of course is upgraded but that is expected since it is a drift car. The tires in the back are 245x45x18 and the fronts are 245x40x18 Cooper's (They are an sponsor), it also has Norm's side fenders and rear diffuser.
The calipers are the same as ours, do not know what type of pads it is using.
On the rear brakes they added a second set of calipers that is control by a hydraulic e-brake, looks a strange seen to sets of calipers in the rear.

[MeanSol]

Originally Posted by Rusty Ahh, but it sounds like the entire kit will carry a full warranty & piecemeal will probably not. For those of you who have already kiissed-off the warranty, that may not matter. For those of us who want a warranty, waiting for the kit might be the preferred course of action. From where did the 312 - 315 HP/torque numbers come? And, do we know if that's at the flywheel or rear wheels? Even if those #s are at the flywheel, that may be enough of an increase for me; especially if it carries the full warranty.

LV stated that the 312 - 315 was BHP. So that would be at the crank/flywheel whatever.

I think if the price is reasonable from GM 52bhp is a welcome number and more than enough to be worthy of lightening your wallet.
Look at what you paid over the NA with the GXP to get 83 BHP.

[Moose GXP]

Originally Posted by MeanSol LV stated that the 312 - 315 was BHP. So that would be at the crank/flywheel whatever. I think if the price is reasonable from GM 52bhp is a welcome number and more than enough to be worthy of lightening your wallet. Look at what you paid over the NA with the GXP to get 83 BHP.

You're kidding yourself if you think it will be priced reasonably. I would expect the $1k range for a stage 2 (really a stage 1...right?) from GMPP>

[Moose GXP]

Originally Posted by LatinVenom The GM person(s) specifically said the reason we have not brought it out yet is because we want to make sure it last. It is easily making 312 BHP (Flywheel) and with this type of increase it has to meet our requirements for durability. They were not only addressing the Solstice/SKY community but also the new Cobalt SS and the HHR SS, since it is the same engine on all the cars. Another thing he mentioned was a display (Cobalt SS) that they are working on that would give a lot of information about the engine. The new Cobalt SS coming out has a boost gauge on the pilar and he said that it was not enough and the display would take the place of the boost gauge. There was also a GXP that GM supports that is pretty much stock as far as the engine components other than a special tune been use for drifting. Is making around 330 BHP, using ALL the stock parts such as IC pipes and intercooler, same hoses and clamps. The suspension of course is upgraded but that is expected since it is a drift car. The tires in the back are 245x45x18 and the fronts are 245x40x18 Cooper's (They are an sponsor), it also has Norm's side fenders and rear diffuser. The calipers are the same as ours, do not know what type of pads it is using. On the rear brakes they added a second set of calipers that is control by a hydraulic e-brake, looks a strange seen to sets of calipers in the rear.

My prediction is less that 300 BHP..more like 290 and the Slobalt SS and especially HHR SS will be less than that as well. The potential for higher HP on those two is less considering they can't get the power to the ground even with the special launch control and no lift shift. Those aren't enhancements, they are requirements to make those cars even somewhat launchable.

[Moose GXP]

Originally Posted by MomsSol Just a point of info - even a GMPP, the ONLY warranty is on the PART itself - if the installation of a GMPP were to cause a issue/problem then there would NOT be warranty coverage. For example: You install a GMPP CAI ... you have a MAF failure - your dealership has the option to not cover the MAF replacement under warranty because you have modified your Air Intake.

Mom speaks the truth. So where's the benefit of the 'warranty' of the GM stage kit? I don't see it as compare to other tunes. It's more expensive and probably lower powered as compared to the others (Wester's) and the warranty wouldn't cover engine or trans failure. I'd pass.

[Moose GXP]

Originally Posted by Rusty My guess is that GM used the cars on the show as test mules to see how the Stage Kit would impact heat, control, etc. This is very promissing news that the Kit may still be made available.

My guess is GM has its own 'test mules' to use.