It's official SETUP announces GMPP STAGE KIT for GXP (confirmed at MECCA II)

[Moose GXP]

Originally Posted by perris ya, I took that into consideration but they were definately going into limp mode, you saw it on a few drivers that couldn't get power and had to use their skilz to stay competitive, I believe one in the lead went to limp mode, no turbo and still stayed comepetitive this was indeed an ecu problem as far as I can see

I don't think you can race in limp mode, no bad how mad your skillz are!

[perris]

Originally Posted by Moose GXP I don't think you can race in limp mode, no bad how mad your skillz are!

I have never seen limp mode, how long does it last?

can you get out of it simply by restarting? will the car get out of it without restarting?

[rlhammon]

Off topic: Through out the entire show (the course of a month for filming) people were blowing hoses, loosing power, and other issues which have shown up after the Stage II kits as well.

I've talked (e-mailed I guess) to three of the drivers now and neither of them had any issues with the kit, except that there was more power and it caused traction issues, excessive speed issues, etc. None of them have indicated any issues in performance, lack of performance, or any negative changes to the car with the Stage II kits vs. without the Stage II kits.

I will continue to seek information from the only people that can talk about the kits... the drivers on Setup II. So far, nothing indicated problems with the kits, and all who have spoke up have said positive things.

[JustMike]

Originally Posted by rlhammon Off topic: Through out the entire show (the course of a month for filming) people were blowing hoses, loosing power, and other issues which have shown up after the Stage II kits as well.

The Stage II kits would do well to include T-Bolt style clamps for all the hoses including the throttle body ... are you listening GMPP?

[lil goat]

Originally Posted by LatinVenom The GM person(s) specifically said the reason we have not brought it out yet is because we want to make sure it last. It is easily making 312 BHP (Flywheel) and with this type of increase it has to meet our requirements for durability. They were not only addressing the Solstice/SKY community but also the new Cobalt SS and the HHR SS, since it is the same engine on all the cars. Another thing he mentioned was a display (Cobalt SS) that they are working on that would give a lot of information about the engine. The new Cobalt SS coming out has a boost gauge on the pilar and he said that it was not enough and the display would take the place of the boost gauge. There was also a GXP that GM supports that is pretty much stock as far as the engine components other than a special tune been use for drifting. Is making around 330 BHP, using ALL the stock parts such as IC pipes and intercooler, same hoses and clamps. The suspension of course is upgraded but that is expected since it is a drift car. The tires in the back are 245x45x18 and the fronts are 245x40x18 Cooper's (They are an sponsor), it also has Norm's side fenders and rear diffuser. The calipers are the same as ours, do not know what type of pads it is using. On the rear brakes they added a second set of calipers that is control by a hydraulic e-brake, looks a strange seen to sets of calipers in the rear.

Just for the record the Drift car you are speaking of is making 335 HP on 110 RACE GAS, it is making over 400 ft /lbs of torque and totally not a streetable car. I have talked with Nubbs (Dan ) a good bit he is local to me, been trying to get a look at the car. It also does not have a stock intercooler it has a Hahn, they are a sponsor. The numbers that Nubbs posted are from GMPP, that is what they made at the factory on the engine dyno. The other team Drifting a Solstice posted the same numbers. Both Nubbs and the other team Gardella Racing, also drag race Cobalts.
Gardella Racing Thread

[ebeacham]

335 on race gas? I guess that wester's is right on track. With 110 race gas his tune should be there, maybe somewhat better.

[MeanSol]

Originally Posted by Moose GXP I don't think you can race in limp mode, no bad how mad your skillz are!

You couldnt be more right.

Limp mode = no go.
Trust me, I know it well.

It isnt just the loss of boost, but locking the throttle possition in place (35% if I remember correct), clamps down on timing, and just about anything else it can grab on to.
Remember it is designed to get you to a dealership/service garage just short of grenading... there is NO GO when you are LIMP....

Depending on the reason for limp mode, you can bring things back online by simply cycling the key to off and then restarting (while rolling for those that like that sort of thing).
Sometimes you are there for good until you remedy the problem and/or reset the ecm.
I actually think you can get better performance out of a car that has blown off an intake hose than one that is in limp... least that is my experience. Either way, you are SOL.

[LatinVenom]

Lil_Goat:
I also talked to Nubbs while at NOPI and the GXP did not have the Hahn intercooler on.
I was there and saw the car and talked to him and the driver many times.
The Hahn intercooler will be going in at a later time. I never said anything about been streetable, all I was pointing out was the car having basically ALL OEM parts as they come from the factory and generating all that power from the race GM tune.
What is remarkable is how ALL the OEM parts can handle that type of power.
So if and when the GMPP stage kit comes out with what is probably about 315 BHP on 93 octane ALL my OEM parts can stay. I rather save my money for parts that actually improve the performance vs their cost. Those will be suspension pieces as oppose to IC pipes, CAI's and an IC. I may consider the later after the GMPP stage kit is on the car.
The Hahn intercooler is need it because the OEM IC is at it's limit for what GM race tune can deliver.

[GXPmach]

Originally Posted by LatinVenom Lil_Goat: What is remarkable is how ALL the OEM parts can handle that type of power.

Actually just looking at the description of the LNF leads me to that one. The bottom end of the engine is very solid...maybe the cast piston sheds some doubt. I'd only wonder about the wear on the turbo bearings at higher boost maybe. If you refer to the intake/exhaust...that's minor performance gain by comparison. Considering how much effect people claim these changes have, combined with a less conservative tune, I'm not surprised in the least. The compression is already fairly low, the engine can take a lot of abuse. It's really a well designed machine.

[brentil]

Just an FYI the 'supposed' power numbers being stated here are incorrect, they're a bit too high.

[lil goat]

Thanks Brentil where have you been? I agree with you LV, I still have the stock airbox and IC pipes, I have seen on a dyno what the Solo Street race does and the Dejon IC, we did 3 cars with different mods and a lot of switching of tunes. The Solo SR made almost exactly 10 more RWHP than a Magnaflow, both has the Solo high flow cat, and the stock tune, we then installed the earlier Westers tune on the other car with the Solo SR and cat and mine and did the dyno again, the only difference between the cars was that I have the Dejon intercooler, same exhaust and tune. I made 15 more RWHP so I can say the Dejon intercooler works, that factory IC is just barely adequate.

[imaj]

Originally Posted by brentil Just an FYI the 'supposed' power numbers being stated here are incorrect, they're a bit too high.

You tease!!!

[shabby]

Originally Posted by LatinVenom I rather save my money for parts that actually improve the performance vs their cost. Those will be suspension pieces as oppose to IC pipes, CAI's and an IC. I may consider the later after the GMPP stage kit is on the car. The Hahn intercooler is need it because the OEM IC is at it's limit for what GM race tune can deliver.

I would still upgrade the intercooler, once you start having fun it'll heatsoak rather quickly.

[LatinVenom]

Brentil:
Not sure if you are making reference to my 312 - 315 BHP(274 RWHP), but the number did not come from me, but the GM spoke person at NOPI.
GM really wants the Cobalt SS to sell well and in the end all they do to the engine will also benefit us LNF owners (Solstice\SKY).
GM has a lot of competition from the likes of Honda and Toyota (SCION) as prove from this NOPI Florida gathering.
GM was demonstrating to all there that the Ecotech motor can be as good or better than the competition. They actually beat most of the imports that went against them in the different classes.
The 330 BHP (282 RWHP) been generated by the Drift Pontiac Solstice at NOPI, was also from Nubbs(Dan) the person that works with the GXP.

[LatinVenom]

Here is a link to pictures from NOPI:
These are curtesy of Dirty Mike a SKY owner and SKYForum member that was there with me.
He took 1st place and I took 2nd.
I have to see if I can get the trophy since I left before the awards were handed out.

You will see pictures of the Drift Solstice GXP, plus a lot of others, enjoy them.

Picasa Web Albums - Dirty - NOPI FL 2008