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Originally Posted by lil goat
Westers will do retunes for free as long as you own your car, and do a tune on your next car free too. He did the whole HP tuners thing and people posted his tunes. If HP tuners would add some security for Pro tuners he could email the tunes. He is working on a way to do this, but I would rather have him working on tunes myself. He gets the ECM back to you in 1 day, and we are working on finding spares so he can do a swap. He sends you the new or retuned ECM and you just send yours back. He has been doing this since 1995. Other than shipping costs it works very well. I have changed the tune on my truck a couple of times this way. I am not sure anyone has done a Mallett conversion on a GXP, mostly the NA I think. You can buy NA ECM's all day. It would be a very rare dealer that could read your tune, nit that it's hard to do they just don't have the equipment, yet. My dealer knows my car has a tune and doesn't care as long as it doesn't cause and issue. Some dealers are not so understanding. They also can see the new intercooler cat and exhaust pretty easily. If HPT figures out a way to lock down tunes our puy copy protection in them things will change. Westers is not the only one with this problem.
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lyndon just as soon come on and quit worrying about "supporting vendor" status....... for all intents and purposes he doesn't need it.....
why should he BOTHER or pay for that service ??
any and every detail is covered......business is covertly....hahahaha
OK openly taking place here and now --->>>> without him paying for it ..
... except its not actually him making any promises .........such as retune for free and tune your next free too.........or him saying what additional parameter you allude he has that hp doesn't yet..........
sorta cracks me up ........ worrying about
piracy and whatever $$ / business he could inadvertly lose to piracy while he obviously "pirates" a supporting vendor status...don't get me wrong- i don't care
............. just ? is it different him not paying for a service vs an independent private owner tuning their own car......
.... as in its ok to do it as long as you - play sneaky pete ((( PM )) handle the dollar transactions separately..... make like you are following rules
"not the only one with this problem "
FUNNY....
...its not a problem circumventing paying to be a supporting vendor.. stretch -twist -bend the rules .... and lecture on what ethics oughta be for someone tuning their own car
.... attempt to convince us it is wrong for us to expect to have control and acess to our ecms- be required to continue mailing pieces parts
while a 3rd party acting as a authorized rep for a business/ vendor.... to conduct
BUSINESS lectures us on whats a problem to who 
whether you want a 2nd opinion - the right to pay for additional personal dyno time to customise any can tune.. and NO CAN DO....... cuz yuh locked out
.. or prefer stealth / convienience of maintaining a stock factory tune on dealership trips.....without the hassel of remailing / waiting for its return..... friday weekend ,holiday no worries... 2 minutes vs purolator
i read your opinion as that being unreasonable expectations !!!.....
i don't see but a handful of private owners talking tuning....... willing to take the plunge....
if a couple of independent private owners try to get together....... that would be "cheating" ... tho i guess what you are doing on this thread is not ????
. if info posts - what anyone bought and paid for on a tuning forum....for advice on a tuning forum...try to take it further.. so what ?..... its all about squeeking more performance and making it better..... benefits us and the car
if that ever caught on the supporting tuners might actually have to involve themselves more here on the forum...answer there own questions...make their own "tune your next car free promises ".......
( geez your guy is not interested in being here and answering questions - why thanks to you he doesn't have to- ) and thats just wrong.......... we miss out on the big shot world famous tuner telling us 1st hand .........
being able to ask / answering questions..
directly... people might become more knowledgeable... thats not happening as long as business is conducted like it is on this thread............
.. maybe they'd formulate educated opinions on who knew what....everyone would benefit from any questions answered.... call me wrong but i'd rather hear/ see more tech talk ..... info from the horses mouth.......
regardless !!!!! whatever penny was lost on someone doing anything privately would more than be "made up for " in DOLLARS by the interest and enthusiasm generated.....
again just my opinion i believe the performance bug is contagious...instead of pm and go someplace else - it would be here.......... and he'd win more than lose
.. we deserve 1st hand information - open discussion and progress - continual improvement - competition........ PROGRESS
which will take a million years if everything is stifled under the pretext of privacy.....and secrecy...
is owned by
NOT the person taking the risk or making the note
..as if someone else owns part of your car and your freedom to make it better or blow it up.......
YES....... tunes and advice
are traded freely @hp....by individuals and professionals.... so what....
..99% of our forum would NEVER attempt reflashing their own ecm on their own...could care less about learning anything and given the software .....still would not play roulette with their engine... theres a poll ?
.....my guess is the vast majority will still pay for the professional PERIOD... that THAT IS the optimium route - NO ARGUEMENT but expecting a lock down - promoting the "locked ecm mentality".......
..in a nutshell..(((( I M O ))))). the expansion of knowledge and experience of a few enthusiasts working on our cars --->
THAT PROGRESS!! & RIGHT far out weighs................
FAR OUT WEIGHS any legitimate concern professionals may have a right to
whatever nickel concern a private tuner that ain't paying a dime HERE thinks we owe him.
. or anyone for that matter to lock someone out their car
...that he has a right to carte blanche........that anyone does
above and beyond the person that actually owns the car is
i understand your concept......and your position on whats "cheating"...... and i can see "one sided too "........... theres no reason for your guy to pay to be a supporting vendor......he's getting it for free...
through you. something other companies have been paying for for a long time.......
... and for sure theres no reason for him to become a future vendor.....hahaha for what the 2009 or 2010 ecms......you are handling up on whatever business he can effectively earn here NOW without the "supporting vendor tab "
.... and i'm not knocking lyndon........just the gall for you to express one side as pirates....while you conduct business all slim shady - go here - pm
even when and where the coupons expire ..lol.... won't answer some questions because you are making like you are actually compliant with vendor rules...hahahaha
....... private individuals attempting to put their heads together increase their performance, build that better mousetrap are pioneers...not pirates.......they aren't making $$.....they're just jacking with their own cars.....and have that right....
...hahaha ..arrrrrrrggghhh me hardy !!.....actually we need EVERYONE we can get to generate interest in our cars !........the more interest- the more people generating interest - the more interest in $upplying $olutions......... and that includes us independent wrench monkeys on hp ....
i would bet money and you know its true--->>> it won't matter which company , or individual cracks the remaining tables and parameters on the 2.0........ every pro and software seller out there will use it ,
will take it and run with it and they'll be applauded for continuing offerring us options-
nobody will care where the advancement came from - in all likelyhood it will be a collaboration of individual advancements from a multitude of fronts........little bit at a time
... now you can rationalize what you are doing anyway you want............ thats cool
you can prolly convince some people a locked ecm is good too
maybe its just me who smells "double standard"
go ahead and flame me - maybe its just me....
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