I've been looking to pick up a black leather power seat for my early 07 Solstice. It has the factory wiring harness but was built two months prior to the new seat availablilty. I thought all 07's had the factory power seat but it turns out that they all have the wiring harness and only the ones built from November 06 forward actually got the seat. My question is how common is it for the driver's seat to be replaced in Autocross cars and what racing seat do most people put in the Solstice for racing?
It is in any class beside stock.
Not sure if anybody makes a seat bracket yet for the cars but back in march 2008 I couldn't find anybody who made one.
I ended designing and building my own (with saftey being the key point).
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I've been looking to pick up a black leather power seat for my early 07 Solstice. It has the factory wiring harness but was built two months prior to the new seat availablilty. I thought all 07's had the factory power seat but it turns out that they all have the wiring harness and only the ones built from November 06 forward actually got the seat. My question is how common is it for the driver's seat to be replaced in Autocross cars and what racing seat do most people put in the Solstice for racing?
Are you talking about putting a stock leather cover on your seat (much cheaper than a whole new seat)? That is legal under the C&C allowances.
Was the power seat (you're talking about swaping in a Solstice Power seat - right?) an independant option in the later car? If so, then yes you can swap it in.
It is in any class beside stock.
Not sure if anybody makes a seat bracket yet for the cars but back in march 2008 I couldn't find anybody who made one.
I ended designing and building my own (with saftey being the key point).
No seat brackets for the Kappas for after market seats. Home brewed is the only answer. I plan on retaining the stock sliders and already have the game plan for side mounts for a Kirkey seat. The basic concept will work with others. The big issue is seat width and the "wings" at the shoulders.
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No seat brackets for the Kappas for after market seats. Home brewed is the only answer. I plan on retaining the stock sliders and already have the game plan for side mounts for a Kirkey seat. The basic concept will work with others. The big issue is seat width and the "wings" at the shoulders.
depending on the Kirkey it should fit much better than the Sparco Evo I have in right now. I currently have no room to move left, right, up or down. luckly i am tall because is can't slide far enough forward for some people.
I will be going with 2 kirkey's (kirkeis, kirkeys, kirki?) next season. Driver's seat on my sparco rails and the passenger will be hard mounted as low as possible (all done with saftey in mind)
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I don't like flopping around in the car, and 4-points are out of the question. While YOU have a trailer queen, mine is driven, and I am not sure I relish the prospect of long drives in a Kirkey, but one has to do what they have to !!!!!!!!!!
__________________ Redline (pre-halt), Pearl, Black/Red
complete option list except auto, 3" MF cat-back,
painted calipers, owner installed power lock buttons, muc uprated springs, S.P. downpipe, Wester's tune
Are you talking about putting a stock leather cover on your seat (much cheaper than a whole new seat)? That is legal under the C&C allowances.
I thought so to but I checked the rules before I posted.
Quote:
13.2 BODYWORK
A. Accessories, gauges, indicators, lights and other appearance,
comfort and convenience modifications which have no effect on
performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the
weight of the car are permitted. This does not allow driver’s seat
substitutions,
I *think* that the original question is: at the beginning of the model year, the power seat (height adjustment) was not available - midyear the power seat (height adjustment) was standard. Can't the newer seat be installed in the earlier build vehicle for the Stock Category? After all, the configuration that this person winds up with is one that would have been available from the factory during the model year.
cgreen - I do assume that the power seat you are referring to is power height adjustment only.
I *think* that the original question is: at the beginning of the model year, the power seat (height adjustment) was not available - midyear the power seat (height adjustment) was standard. Can't the newer seat be installed in the earlier build vehicle for the Stock Category? After all, the configuration that this person winds up with is one that would have been available from the factory during the model year.
cgreen - I do assume that the power seat you are referring to is power height adjustment only.
I would think that answer is yes. Why? It was an accessory during that model year. Precedent? The Z0K package on the GXP. BTW, check CLOSELY with someone on the part numbers as in 2007 the answer to purchasing the adjuster mechanism was that it INCLUDED a different seat base. Not sure, as I didn't want to spend the $1K + they asked at the Saturn store.
Suggestion - e-mail Brian Harmer at the SCCA and ask for clarification. Go to the web site, look at CONTACTS, and his e-mail link is there.
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complete option list except auto, 3" MF cat-back,
painted calipers, owner installed power lock buttons, muc uprated springs, S.P. downpipe, Wester's tune
Last edited by snaponbob : 09-23-2009 at 06:11 AM.
I thought so to but I checked the rules before I posted.
The seat is not being changed, the seat cover is being changed. IE you are not changing the seat support, weight, height, adjustments, etc., you are only changing the covering and that is covered under the C&C rules. I have checked this out with SAC, SEB, and a National Protest Chairman - who then told me that there was a precedent a few years ago that was upheld at protest. I went through this with my Z0K conversion since that car was only available with cloth seats and I had leather - basically the exact situation we are talking about here.
Changing from the non-powered seat to a powered seat is less obvious, but since it was standard in the same model year as the car in question, it is legal.
I'm hoping to go from non-height adjust leather seat to factory leather power height adjuster. If anyone has taken a factory seat out of a race car, I'd be interested in it.
So you want to remove the leather, non-height-adjustable seat, and add the leather, height-adjustable seat?
This means the addition of weight, in the motor & geartrain for the vertical height adjustment.
If I were competing against you, and I protested this, I should be shamed out of autocrossing, and into Mary Kay sales.
I've got a 2007, with the cloth seat with height adjustment. It can be obviously argued that 07's came both with and without this feature.
I'm not saying you have a free and clear path to do this and never be protested, because some a$$hole at a national-level event may decide to be his true a$$hole self. But IMHO that a$$hole doesn't have a leg to stand on. Plus, he should be forcibly tarred, feathered, de-pansed, and forced to wear a skirt.
Your plan involves adding weight that doesn't add horsepower or handling. IMHO it's OK, and not successfully protestable. My 2007 window sticker says NOTHING about the driver's seat height adjustment. I think you're good to go. I think this is covered under the comfort & convenience clause. The spirit of 13.2A is to not allow things that reduce weight. You're talking about adding weight. Methinks that is case closed & it's OK. But, you may want to email Doug Gill at SCCA nationals to get his take. Just be sure you completely explain the details.
Plus, if you have leather, you probably have a buncha other options, and are therefore not a ZOK car - and are therefore heavy and under-sprung (compared to the ZOKs). So it's even more impressive if you can trophy in a national-event atmosphere.
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I'm not saying you have a free and clear path to do this and never be protested, because some a$ at a national-level event may decide to be his true a$ self. But IMHO that a$ doesn't have a leg to stand on. Plus, he should be forcibly tarred, feathered, de-pansed, and forced to wear a skirt.
In defense of National-level autocrossers... A$$holes will be *******s be they local or National competitors. A good friend of mine was protested at Nationals by someone (a local to the national event) who thought they could protest themselves up a few places. The chief of protest had a long talk with them.
However, the majority of protests at National events tend to be things that have been brewing a season or two, a rules interpretation issue, someone who didn't understand the rules, etc. It's only when it's something obvious, performance enhancing, and that person has been warned about that paper is usually filed.
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