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Old 05-12-2008, 07:48 PM
   only hitting 14psi now
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My car has exhaust depot intake, solo street race exhaust, hks bov, and a bypassed stock "bov". Both before and after mods it always hit 17psi and sometimes 18 briefly. The other day I noticed it just will not go above 14psi anymore, even if I keep the pedal mashed to the floor. Any ideas as to why this is?
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:23 PM
  
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sounds like your ecm is holding you back. time for a tune
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I'm mostly stock and seem to hit 22-23psi on a regular basis.

Check your hose clamps....check your wastegate rod nut.

EVERYONE CHECK YOUR NUTS!!
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yea i checked all the hoses. not sure what nut i'm supposed to check. I've never gotten in the 20s ever. But I know boost among owners seems to vary even on stock cars from about 17 to 24. i've never had over 18 but i've also never topped out at 14.
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I'm mostly stock and seem to hit 22-23psi on a regular basis.

Check your hose clamps....check your wastegate rod nut.

EVERYONE CHECK YOUR NUTS!!

mostly stock with a wester tune
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Strangely, my boost PSI never went beyond 14, ever. I hit 17 PSI randomly a few times but have been unable to replicate it.

I am still convinced that the boost figures people report are a function of the ambient humidity, barometric pressure and temperature.

Even after I tightened all the clamps in my car and fixed my loose nuts ( ), the maximum consistently reachable PSI is 14.

BY the way, my car is bone stock, except for a K&N filter.

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If you are running a stock tune, you will only get the boost required to satisfy a preset amount of torque, then the ECM does its magic. Some need 17 psi, some only need 14, the less restrictive exhaust is allowing the car to make the same power with less boost.

Those that have the BSR or the Westers tune are seeing higher boost because the ECM cap has been altered.
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But the part that doesn't make sense is that well AFTER my exhaust, intake, IC pipe upgrades, my boost hit 17. It's not as if it was hitting 17 right after my upgrades and then the ECU took a few days to adjust. But I suppose the ECU is the only variable it could be
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Okay this coming from a totally outside perspective. This means, I am not an expert on air pressure inside turbo IC piping. Is the newer IC pipe wider in diameter than the stock piping?

In physics, Pressure = Force / Area.

With a larger IC pipe, what used to be higher in PSI will now be lower, because the Area has increased while Force remains the same (with the turbo operating at stock specifications). With the smaller stock GM tubing, the area is smaller and narrower, hence greater pressure.

So without an ECU upgrade, you will see less PSI because the operating throughput for the airflow has increased at any given slice of the turbo piping.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:11 AM
  
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But I suppose the ECU is the only variable it could be


And the atmosphere. We tune our drag car based on Density Altitude in an attempt to run the same time every time. It is amazing how much the performance changes due to weather.
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Exactly! Humidity, ambient temperature etc all affects the compression. Humid air is denser, producing more boost with the same effort from the turbo.
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If you are running a stock tune, you will only get the boost required to satisfy a preset amount of torque, then the ECM does its magic. Some need 17 psi, some only need 14, the less restrictive exhaust is allowing the car to make the same power with less boost.

Those that have the BSR or the Westers tune are seeing higher boost because the ECM cap has been altered.

How do you explain (many of us) cars with manual boost controllers putting out close to 300 hp at 23 psi?
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How do you explain (many of us) cars with manual boost controllers putting out close to 300 hp at 23 psi?

You are circumventing the first control function that the ECM uses (Wastegate control) with your manual boost controller.
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Exactly! Humidity, ambient temperature etc all affects the compression. Humid air is denser, producing more boost with the same effort from the turbo.

Yea I was gonna say that atmospheric conditions, altitude, etc., all have effects on boost pressure. Time for a tune!
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Old 05-15-2008, 11:58 PM
  
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You are circumventing the first control function that the ECM uses (Wastegate control) with your manual boost controller.

If you look at your own comments you are indicating torque management, with that said the first control would be a throttle control action, even before the boost is backed off, why isn't that implemented when the ecu sees the increased torque/hp from the mbc.

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