Seafom is a petroleum distillate, not dry-gas (what you identified). And if you put it in teh fuel it will never come in contact with the turbo. I would never add alcohol product to the oil. Drying effect would be adverse to lubrication, unless oil is water-laden. BTW, you'll have alcohol in your fuel soon enough, guaranteed to depress your mpg by teh same amount the governments wants it raised.
Actually the Seafoam MSDS lists Pale Oil, Naptha and IPA. The only constituent dramatically different from fuel is the IPA. While ethanol and IPA are different, you are correct the ethanol content will be rising anyways probably.
IPA in oil won't have any "drying effect." I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply there. The IPA will act as an antioxidant yet the radical products should readily vaporize on startup. It would be no different from the long chain antioxidants in oil additives...I'd guess hindered phenols, but that's neither here nor there. Either way, these are simply less reactive, but heavy enough to stay in solution at temperature and pressure. The IPA would likely get up to pressure and readily pass into cylinders during the intake stroke. A very low quantity won't blow out oil pressure either...some of this already happens with mineral oils anyways.
"Steam cleaning" which is actually steam oxidation, can readily destroy deposits as well. The real purpose is to simply get the system running lean so that oxygen can attack deposits. This, however, is an extremely slow process with steam at this temperature (Obviously it is less reactive than pure oxygen). Really low steam quantities for extended periods would be best (hours). Or even a little oxygen introduced beyond the oxygen sensor.
Overall, may I address that this may help the engine to soften and dislodge some deposits, but the problem (which is much more severe in aircraft turbine engines) is hard to correct. Many practices have been made to attempt to "clean" aircraft fuel nozzles. As of yet, nobody has been successful. The whole system gets replaced.
The real solution is cooling your fuel injection system at the design level. Either way, it ends up more cost effective to simply do a few lean burns and then eventually replace the injectors.
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Actually the Seafoam MSDS lists Pale Oil, Naptha and IPA. The only constituent dramatically different from fuel is the IPA. While ethanol and IPA are different, you are correct the ethanol content will be rising anyways probably.
IPA in oil won't have any "drying effect." I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply there. The IPA will act as an antioxidant yet the radical products should readily vaporize on startup. It would be no different from the long chain antioxidants in oil additives...I'd guess hindered phenols, but that's neither here nor there. Either way, these are simply less reactive, but heavy enough to stay in solution at temperature and pressure. The IPA would likely get up to pressure and readily pass into cylinders during the intake stroke. A very low quantity won't blow out oil pressure either...some of this already happens with mineral oils anyways.
"Steam cleaning" which is actually steam oxidation, can readily destroy deposits as well. The real purpose is to simply get the system running lean so that oxygen can attack deposits. This, however, is an extremely slow process with steam at this temperature (Obviously it is less reactive than pure oxygen). Really low steam quantities for extended periods would be best (hours). Or even a little oxygen introduced beyond the oxygen sensor.
Overall, may I address that this may help the engine to soften and dislodge some deposits, but the problem (which is much more severe in aircraft turbine engines) is hard to correct. Many practices have been made to attempt to "clean" aircraft fuel nozzles. As of yet, nobody has been successful. The whole system gets replaced.
The real solution is cooling your fuel injection system at the design level. Either way, it ends up more cost effective to simply do a few lean burns and then eventually replace the injectors.
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IPA in oil won't have any "drying effect." I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply there.
Just going from what it claims it will do when labeled "dry gas" (there used to be two types, one plain old IPA, the other IBA or something similar) When mixed with gasoline (or diesel) it doesn't make the water evaporate, I agree, but keeps it in suspension so that it will traverse through the fuel system and out the exhaust.
IPA is the same stuff (but at differnt %) most people have somewhere in the house - rubbing alcohol. Rub some on your skin and your skin feels cold, because the IPA is evaporationg. I just didn't know and will defer to you experts, whether a suspension of IPA and petroleum product would evaporate faster than the petroleum product alone.
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Just going from what it claims it will do when labeled "dry gas" (there used to be two types, one plain old IPA, the other IBA or something similar) When mixed with gasoline (or diesel) it doesn't make the water evaporate, I agree, but keeps it in suspension so that it will traverse through the fuel system and out the exhaust.
IPA is the same stuff (but at differnt %) most people have somewhere in the house - rubbing alcohol. Rub some on your skin and your skin feels cold, because the IPA is evaporationg. I just didn't know and will defer to you experts, whether a suspension of IPA and petroleum product would evaporate faster than the petroleum product alone.
The IPA will seperate and evaporate very quickly at temperature. Dry gas is indeed much higher concentrations...and often just ethanol not IPA...similar effects though.
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I've used Seafoam products for years...I used deep creep religiously to clean up the intake twice a year on my Infiniti...worked very well, the heads and cams on those engines were known for sludging up. When I bought it, it was in pretty bad shape and I had to pour B12 chem-tool through it to clean up the gunk. Afterward, i was able to keep it clean by using only synthetic oil, and every few oil changes, I'd flush with Seafoam.
Recent gas prices have sent me back to tinkering, and I've found that a mixture of 2 Oz of seafoam motor treatment, and 2 oz of B12 Chem tool (various xylenes, acetone, toluene), OR just 2 Oz pure acetone to a full tank of premium fuel increased my mileage on even an immaculately clean engine. A lot of talk about top-tier gas has been brought up here, but that is just what gets put into the pump off the truck. What you never know is how contaminated the pump tanks are to begin with. There have been several documented reports in the past of Texaco stations (franchises) putting mid-grade or regular in their pumps designated as Premium as well. You just don't know what gas you are actually getting except by measuring results. I'm finding that the concoction I created is a small enough treatment to have virtually no risk of doing any sort of damage, and at the same time stabilizes the fuel in a way that gets consistent results...and it is cheap.
Overall, in 20 years of using chemicals, Sea-foam has always performed consistently well, and never resulted in any damages, that includes motor treatments, gas treatments, and transmission treatments.
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Ive used seafoam before when i had a 84 fiero with the 2.5L i just slowly put in into the throttle body while it was running, it rolled out white smoke for a few minutes then ran like a champ and i had a increase of 3mpg with it. I work at two napa auto parts stores and at both stores all shop owners prefer seafoam over any other fuel injector cleaner.
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Always used Sta-Bil in diesel and 2 cycle engines then a guy told me about Sea Foam. I put some in my Dodge 2500 diesel, BMW K1200LT and Honda Shadow motorcycles. Can't tell any negative with the truck but don't realize any positives yet either. I do, however, get 22+ mpg on the highway @ 67mph with the truck.
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Our injectors arent in the intake. You're going to have a hard time cleaning them with seafoam-- you couldn't pay me to put that stuff in a new motor.
That is what I thought, isn't that why it is called Direct Injection? By putting the fuel straight into the cylinder you get better efficiency and power.
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That is what I thought, isn't that why it is called Direct Injection? By putting the fuel straight into the cylinder you get better efficiency and power.
It isn't about putting fuel "straight into" the cylinder, it is about control of the timing. You can essentially inject fuel at any time, allowing you to avoid dieseling. At least that's my first thought.
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