Silly me,
I opened this thread thinking it was about the GM Pinion Seal Recall.
After reading a bit, I thought I must have clicked on the thread titled,
Imports vs The turning radius of an aircraft carrier
vs Can I tell you about my lemon again vs Normalcy
vs Domestics vs Corporate wheels turn slow vs The roll of the dice
vs Resale value vs My Lambo doesn't do that.
I'll go back and check, yep it's titled "GM anouncement - Pinion Seal Recall."
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Silly me,
I opened this thread thinking it was about the GM Pinion Seal Recall.
After reading a bit, I thought I must have clicked on the thread titled,
Imports vs The turning radius of an aircraft carrier
vs Can I tell you about my lemon again vs Normalcy
vs Domestics vs Corporate wheels turn slow vs The roll of the dice
vs Resale value vs My Lambo doesn't do that.
I'll go back and check, yep it's titled "GM anouncement - Pinion Seal Recall."
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Excellent summary by the way ...
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Silly me,
I opened this thread thinking it was about the GM Pinion Seal Recall.
After reading a bit, I thought I must have clicked on the thread titled,
Imports vs The turning radius of an aircraft carrier
vs Can I tell you about my lemon again vs Normalcy
vs Domestics vs Corporate wheels turn slow vs The roll of the dice
vs Resale value vs My Lambo doesn't do that.
I'll go back and check, yep it's titled "GM anouncement - Pinion Seal Recall."
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I agree that any lockup would occur from a complete loss of fluid and most of us around here have been keeping an eye on the rear diff for a long time. It certainly is a hazard for the average driver who doesn't have knowledge so hence the recall.
Good summary SayWhat
And let's not forget the diff is a German manufactured part
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Hmmm .... I guess I'm still a bit confused on the "10 day statement" then SD.
Is there a *better way* that we can word it to make it clear? ( or is it just me as that too is possible )
As always ... thanks for helping all of us here! The additional benefit and knowledge you bring us is greatly appreciated and oft times unacknowledged.
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Small Dealer comes through again. Thanks for the valuable input.
My reading of available information leads me to believe that there are a number of different problems that MAY apply to any individual car.
1) some rear ends were overfilled at the factory and when brought up to full operating temps can vent fluid out the vent and appear as a leak. This overfilling puts added pressure on the seal and can contribute to its premature failure.
2) some rear end vents had problems of various sorts.
3) some seals were manufactured without springs or with springs that fail under normal operating conditions. Since the procedures I have seen say "look inside the seal for the spring" that strongly implies that some seals made it out the suppliers door without the requisite springs.
4) due to problems in the manufacturing process at the seal suppliers, some number of seals were contaminated with metal fragments that can (will?) cause them to fail prematurely.
5) some drivers who have leaking seals don't notice until the bearings go dry and fail. I can picture them wading through a couple of pounds of GO 90 on the garage floor and ignoring it.
6) procedures have been changed because even when replacing seals, lubricant can leak through them during assembly process and cause problems or appear as a failed seal when the seal has actually NOT failed. (yet?)
7) noise from a differential does not directly correlate with failure. Every M151 I ever drove had so much rear end whine at 50 mph and up that you had to shout to be heard over the freaking noise. But I never had one fail. Ever.
You may not have a leak and still have a bad seal. It just has not failed yet. In my considered opinion not having the fix applied is a crap shoot. The day after you decide NOT to do the fix, your rear end could puke its guts out on the road.
GM has to turn a profit or it will go out of business. Our warrantees and future with the Sol depends on GM staying successful and the Sol being profitable for them. (can anyone spell Corvair?) I don't want them making fixes that don't make economic sense. I for one will not complain because the dealers and the Company are making money and not spending bucks where its not required.
GM is owned by a large number of average Americans and peopled / managed by human beings who want to do good, and make the occasional mistake. Its not rocket science to see that not all dealers and GM are on the same page all the time. It is dissapointing to hear of a dealer bad mouthing GM though. It attacks confidence in the dealer and GM and in my mind is evidence of lack of professionalism on the part of the Dealer - which can easily translate into how they conduct their business.
In the final analysis, it is our individual responsibility to take care of our Sols and make sure that the work is done properly and in a timely manner.
The Sol is a special car. Its an enthusiasts car. It demands an educated, observant and thinking owner. If you want a bullet proof daily driver that you can drive and forget for 10 years, the Sol is not that car.
i suspect that gm or getrag made a major change to the pinion seal, as they also changed the pinion yoke also--what i would like to see is a side by side comparison of the old parts verses the new ones---i've always suspected a problem where the pinion yoke attaches to the driveshaft causing an unbalanced condition,thereby prematurely wearing out the seal--my guess is by redesigning the pinion yoke and beefing up the seal ,it cures the problem
Hmmm .... I guess I'm still a bit confused on the "10 day statement" then SD.
Is there a *better way* that we can word it to make it clear? ( or is it just me as that too is possible )
As always ... thanks for helping all of us here! The additional benefit and knowledge you bring us is greatly appreciated and oft times unacknowledged.
It looks to me the the 10-day limit applies to those that have already had the repair done and had to pay out of their own pocket. GM is giving you 10-days to request to get your money back. The 10-days will end at a date specified in the letter you receive from GM.
A simple suggestion: Get your receipts together now and in a safe place so that you are ready to submit the claim when you get the letter. This gives you time if you can't find your receipt to go back to your dealer and get them to print you a copy.
Getting the paperwork ready early could be especially important for those few that have had multiple repairs made. Adequate documentation should help you get your money back in a timely manner.
Also, we need to remember that what we have now is just speculation on what the final letter will say...there is too much time between now and the proposed February mailing date(s) for edits to be made.
BTW, how many people have had to pay for the repairs? Most that I remember seeing on here have been warranty repairs...even those with multiple full replacements.
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GO_DRVN : It looks to me the the 10-day limit applies to those that have already had the repair done and had to pay out of their own pocket. GM is giving you 10-days to request to get your money back. The 10-days will end at a date specified in the letter you receive from GM.
Not correct. As SmallDealer has already explained, the 10 days is the cutoff for having the repair done in a manner that would result in reimbursement.
For example, if you want someone other than a dealer to do the work, it must be done within 10 days of the official notification date. You can then submit the cost of that work for reimbursement. If you follow that route, the cost would have to be in accordance with the official GM cost.
Several years ago I received a recall for another GM product that I owned and that was how it worked then.
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Small Dealer comes through again. Thanks for the valuable input.
My reading of available information leads me to believe that there are a number of different problems that MAY apply to any individual car.
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6) procedures have been changed because even when replacing seals, lubricant can leak through them during assembly process and cause problems or appear as a failed seal when the seal has actually NOT failed. (yet?)
7) noise from a differential does not directly correlate with failure. Every M151 I ever drove had so much rear end whine at 50 mph and up that you had to shout to be heard over the freaking noise. But I never had one fail. Ever.
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The Sol is a special car. Its an enthusiasts car. It demands an educated, observant and thinking owner. If you want a bullet proof daily driver that you can drive and forget for 10 years, the Sol is not that car.
Good post! I have a '72 that leaks from the pinion seal every day. Nothing is wrong with the car though. It just leaks. Sports cars do require an observant and thinking owner as you point out. For example, I drive the first 5 - 10 minutes and last 5 - 10 minutes or so of every trip with the radio off and an intent ear listening for strange noises. I've always done this with every car I've owned. There have been several times I have detected a problem in the very early stages using this method which has saved me a lot of time, aggravation, and money. I also check under my vehicles every couple days for leaks. If any appear, I wipe them up and then start monitoring every day to see if it is a real problem or not (and check fluid levels of course). While some may find these routines to be annoyances, I find they connect you with your car even more.
Not correct. As SmallDealer has already explained, the 10 days is the cutoff for having the repair done in a manner that would result in reimbursement.
For example, if you want someone other than a dealer to do the work, it must be done within 10 days of the official notification date. You can then submit the cost of that work for reimbursement. If you follow that route, the cost would have to be in accordance with the official GM cost.
Several years ago I received a recall for another GM product that I owned and that was how it worked then.
Thanks JRinKY.
I found SD's post where he says there is "no known time limit on the reimbursment request."
Since I read that post again it seems that GM is giving people a grace period from when they should get the letters to get repairs already scheduled done before the cutoff date and still be reimbursed.
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Good post! I have a '72 that leaks from the pinion seal every day. Nothing is wrong with the car though. It just leaks. Sports cars do require an observant and thinking owner as you point out. For example, I drive the first 5 - 10 minutes and last 5 - 10 minutes or so of every trip with the radio off and an intent ear listening for strange noises. I've always done this with every car I've owned. There have been several times I have detected a problem in the very early stages using this method which has saved me a lot of time, aggravation, and money. I also check under my vehicles every couple days for leaks. If any appear, I wipe them up and then start monitoring every day to see if it is a real problem or not (and check fluid levels of course). While some may find these routines to be annoyances, I find they connect you with your car even more.