Now I just need to research how difficult it is going to be to install though I don't imagine it is going to be very difficult
Installation is not difficult at all. It should take a competent Mechanic less than an hour to install and full instructions are included in each kit. The Soltice takes a bit more disassembly than some installations and if the vehicle is equipped with XM it adds a bit more time to the installation. XM equipped vehicles require programming so you will need access to a Tech 2 in order to complete the installation.
The PAL is not compatible with the base U1C radio as this radio has no XM compatible audio interface.
All of the ADIs should have product in stock by now (Part Number 19171028) so your Dealer can order individual units through them.
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good to know. I'll probably install it and then run it in for the program.
Question though. My car came with XM, but I no longer use it. So would I still need the programing since I don't need the XM to function?
I assume so, but it never hurts to ask
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good to know. I'll probably install it and then run it in for the program.
Question though. My car came with XM, but I no longer use it. So would I still need the programing since I don't need the XM to function?
I assume so, but it never hurts to ask
Hmmm, somehow I knew this question would come up, just not this quickly.
In order to make the system work as designed (and tested), those vehicles with XM need to be properly wired and programmed. An installation as you describe has not been tested and there is a high probability of codes being set in the vehicle. Service charges for diagnostics would not be covered by warranty when it was discovered that the installation was performed improperly.
There could also be some issues at resale if the new buyer wanted XM and had to pay to have the installation completed.
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In order to make the system work as designed (and tested), those vehicles with XM need to be properly wired and programmed. An installation as you describe has not been tested and there is a high probability of codes being set in the vehicle. Service charges for diagnostics would not be covered by warranty when it was discovered that the installation was performed improperly.
So if I read correctly, PAL requires the XM components and wiring to be in factory installed condition. But doesn't require an actual active XM subscription.
If a Solstice owner had removed parts of their car's XM system, things will not work as planned.
Here is a more information about how XM and PAL work:
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To select "iPod mode" on the vehicle radio, press the BAND button to cycle through available bands: AM, FM, and XM. The XM band alternates between iPod and XM mode; i.e., every other cycle through the XM band is actually iPod mode. When in iPod mode, the radio will briefly display "iPod Selected" or "No iPod" depending on the connection status of the iPod. Although the PAL is accessed through the radio's XM band, XM service is in no way related to the PAL.
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Hmmm, somehow I knew this question would come up, just not this quickly.
what can I say, I'm not real keen on paying $1xx per labor hour
Luckily the flag hours aren't that high.
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If a Solstice owner had removed parts of their car's XM system, things will not work as planned.
It's intact, just w/o subscription.
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So if I read correctly, PAL requires the XM components and wiring to be in factory installed condition. But doesn't require an actual active XM subscription.
If a Solstice owner had removed parts of their car's XM system, things will not work as planned.
Here is a more information about how XM and PAL work:
If the factory SDAR has been completely removed, the PAL will work exactly as it would if the vehicle had never had XM installed (the PAL will work without XM except with the U1C radio). If the SDAR is still attached to the serial communications bus but the PAL is not programmed is where there is a problem area.
I don't recommend removing the SDAR (Satellite Digital Audio Receiver) for resale or if you decide you want XM later. You could of course add the SDAR later and program then I guess.
I'm not planning on doing this, but let me make sure I understand you correctly Greg.
1) If XM is installed, the PAL must be programmed in order to work correctly.
2) If the SDAR is simply disconnected (or was never installed, excluding the U1C radio) then the PAL does not need to be programmed and is simply "plug and play"?
Thanks again for your insight
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I'm not planning on doing this, but let me make sure I understand you correctly Greg.
1) If XM is installed, the PAL must be programmed in order to work correctly.
2) If the SDAR is simply disconnected (or was never installed, excluding the U1C radio) then the PAL does not need to be programmed and is simply "plug and play"?
Thanks again for your insight
Correct. We may change the default programming in the future as XM becomes standard in more vehicles but at this time there are more HHR/Cobalt/Soltice/Sky/G5 vehicles without XM so installation costs are lower for the majority of the vehicles.
If the SDAR is disconnected for any reason, the GMLAN line to the SDAR should be disconnected at the BCM to make sure that the unterminated line does not act as an antennae. This is the connection that is called out in the instructions when installing with XM.
Remember, removing the SDAR and adding the PAL, or installing the PAL in an XM vehicle without programming, are not GM supported installations so your mileage may vary.
Correct. We may change the default programming in the future as XM becomes standard in more vehicles but at this time there are more HHR/Cobalt/Soltice/Sky/G5 vehicles without XM so installation costs are lower for the majority of the vehicles.
If the SDAR is disconnected for any reason, the GMLAN line to the SDAR should be disconnected at the BCM to make sure that the unterminated line does not act as an antennae. This is the connection that is called out in the instructions when installing with XM.
Remember, removing the SDAR and adding the PAL, or installing the PAL in an XM vehicle without programming, are not GM supported installations so your mileage may vary.
Greg
so how difficult is it to program the PAL...and do the service techs know how to do this now..is there a bulletin out .....my experience is most service departments dont specialize in interior work....most simply prefer plug and play replacements or a simple reflash of the ECM or a software upload via a headunit....noted it takes a tech 2....standard equipment at a service department.....just wondering if a tech would know since this is such a new release....
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Correct. We may change the default programming in the future as XM becomes standard in more vehicles but at this time there are more HHR/Cobalt/Soltice/Sky/G5 vehicles without XM so installation costs are lower for the majority of the vehicles.
If the SDAR is disconnected for any reason, the GMLAN line to the SDAR should be disconnected at the BCM to make sure that the unterminated line does not act as an antennae. This is the connection that is called out in the instructions when installing with XM.
Remember, removing the SDAR and adding the PAL, or installing the PAL in an XM vehicle without programming, are not GM supported installations so your mileage may vary.
Greg
Thanks for clarifying. Well I dropped mine off at the dealer this morning, so hopefully I'll get the call from them soon.
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Thanks for clarifying. Well I dropped mine off at the dealer this morning, so hopefully I'll get the call from them soon.
The dealership is doing the install?
I was looking forward to a detailed post on all the fun.
Look forward to at least a review. Oh, see if you can scoop the install instructions.
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well if it hadn't been for the programing due to XM, I would have believe me. Looking through the instructions it looks very easy to do. If I get them back, I'll see if I can scan them in for you guys.
I was halfway tempted to disconnect the XM so that I could do the install myself, but I got the part at darn near cost, so I figured I'd suck it up and have it done right
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Looking through the instructions it looks very easy to do. If I get them back, I'll see if I can scan them in.
Generally what we try to do here, is cases like this, is copy the instructions for the car's service folder and give the original to the owner and ask them to keep with their manuals.
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well if it hadn't been for the programing due to XM, I would have believe me. Looking through the instructions it looks very easy to do. If I get them back, I'll see if I can scan them in for you guys.
I was halfway tempted to disconnect the XM so that I could do the install myself, but I got the part at darn near cost, so I figured I'd suck it up and have it done right
Was your price better than the $131.33 from the big online parts shop we all know to use but can't post the name of?
Just wondering... I have an mp3 player (non-iPod) but would like the additional control via the steering wheel buttons. I'd have to pick up the adapter and an iPod and sell my mp3 player then, but if this works well, then I'm for it.
though I don't imagine it is going to be very difficult
