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Old 01-12-2013, 10:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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HID kit....which one is perfect?

Alright, been reading posts from inception of the forums about HIDs. I want to add HIDs to both my normal headlights and my fog lights and I'm extremely confused!!! I have several questions:

1) Will I need anything other then the kit itself? In other words, is there any special resistors that I need to make sure the lights don't blink?
2) Will I have to re-aim my headlights?
3) Do I want HIDs or Xenon bi-directional?
4) I want a slight blueish tint...is that the 8000k?
5) Since many of the websites are no longer available, which brand do you recommend? I saw what looks like a great kit on hidheadlightkit.com, but are there cheaper, just as good kits?
6) Can I use the same kits for both headlights and fog lights?

I know these questions have been answered, but many answers are 2+ years old now and I just figured maybe there were better processes and products out there... Thanks!

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Old 01-13-2013, 08:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You are talking replacement bulbs, right? Not projector retrofit?

Must everyone I know says don't do it. The bulbs are not correct for reflectors designed for filament (Xenon) bulbs - the light source is far more extended in a HID bulb than a filament and so the light disperses in completely different directions causing dangerous glare to on comers and reduced intensities for you.

If you want blue, (which I would argue against, too, by the way) then go with blue-tinted xenon bulbs.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I am talking about doing an HID kit or a Xenon bulb. I guess I'm leaning HID. Is there issues with HID? Do the lights project further then they should since this will be my daily driver for the next 6 months or so...
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Its not the bulbs, its the headlight housings, without projector housings, the glare to on coming traffic will not only be unbearable, but in some states illegal

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The only kit out there that truly works with our car is the kit sold by GM Roadster.com The kit is the only true plug and play with both high and low beans that still work and are still HID. They are brighter than our stock lights and do not require replacing the stock housings. They are not projectors, but are bi-zenon HID headlights. Here is a direct link. They sell fog lights too. Don't buy any you see sold on ebay, they may work but the hi/lows never work correctly, and they are not real plug and play. Ask me how I know.
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hmmm....interesting. I pass another Solstice on the way to work every morning and he has HID/Xenon in a blue hue....very easy on the eyes compared to many other OEM headlights. I guess I may have to flag him down one morning and find out what he's done that's different from everyone else then.....he even has them in his fog lights. Like I said, very easy to look at compared to some of the OEM headlights!
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:12 AM   #7 (permalink)
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You are obviously confused as to HIDs and Xenons and headlight colors.

HIDs (High Intensity Discharge) are actually arc lamps - the light is produced by a very high voltage electrical discharge across two electrodes. They need a driver circuit (usually called a 'ballast') to pump up the car's 12V to many thousand V, as well as kick start the arc at turn on. They don't turn on as fast as regular bulbs, so the high-beam/low-beam effect is usually just a single bulb that is moved by a solenoid to be in roughly the correct reflector position to suit the beam pattern.

'Xenon' bulbs are regular filament bulbs, just like the ones you already have. The 'Xenon' part refers to the halogen gas inside the bulb surrounding the filament. The Xenon idea is that it improves the longevity of the bulb, or allows a hotter filament (brighter light) with the same intensity as regular halogen gas mixtures in OEM bulbs. Jury's out for that though. All regular bulbs nowadays use halogen gas with different percentages of Xenon. The high/low bean effect is two separate filaments in the bulb, positioned at specific points in the reflector to provide the appropriately focused beam.

In both of the above cases, the color of the light is down to physics and roughly the same for all bulbs in the class. The FAKE "8000K" figures are completely bogus, the colors being produced simply by adding colored paint/tint (filter) on the outside of the bulb envelope (glass). As such ANY of the stupid colors actually REDUCE the intensity of the light you get out by filtering some of the light wavelengths out. Thus for blue lights, some of the red and orange wavelengths are simply stopped/removed, leaving a (dimmer) blue effect.

The lights you've seen on your way to work are probably cheap eBay blue bulbs (regular filaments), not HIDs at all. You can get those yourself, but I warn you they are NOT long lasting and blow fairly quickly. You can also get brand name blue-er bulbs, like Silverstar for example. Much better quality, though expensive. But even they quote shorter lifetimes (on the packet) because they run brighter filaments, with the resulting shorter life.

Here for example, SilverStar Ultras (note the blue-tinted glass, and the "Xenon" on the package):
Sylvania H13 SZ SilverStar zXe High Performance Halogen Headlight Bulb (Low/High Beam), (Pack of 2) : Amazon.com : Automotive Sylvania H13 SZ SilverStar zXe High Performance Halogen Headlight Bulb (Low/High Beam), (Pack of 2) : Amazon.com : Automotive
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The only kit out there that truly works with our car is the kit sold by GM Roadster.com The kit is the only true plug and play with both high and low beans that still work and are still HID. They are brighter than our stock lights and do not require replacing the stock housings. They are not projectors, but are bi-zenon HID headlights. Here is a direct link. They sell fog lights too. Don't buy any you see sold on ebay, they may work but the hi/lows never work correctly, and they are not real plug and play. Ask me how I know.
http://www.gmroadster.com/index.php?...mart&Itemid=68
You sir are a saint!!! but how hard would it be to install the retrofit lights?
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I appreciate all the help!!! I was a little confused. I originally thought that I could just replace my bulbs with xenon bulbs, but then I found websites selling "xenon kits" that showed ballasts with them. So I thought maybe there were 2 different types of xenon bulbs. But you have cleared that up Tomato....thanks!! I will look at GM roadster and look at xenon bulbs as well. I really don't want to wire anything, so I will probably go with the xenon bulb. But I want foglights too no matter which route I go. I've always thought it looked stupid to have HIDs or xenon and then OEM fog lights.... Just my $0.02.....

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But I want foglights too no matter which route I go. I've always thought it looked stupid to have HIDs or xenon and then OEM fog lights.... Just my $0.02.....
If you go the SilverStar (or similar) route, you can also get the matching bulbs for the fog lights (type 898 bulbs).

It sounds like you want to drive around with your fogs on all the time, which is another of my pet peeves (fog lights are for fog - not showing off). But that's your democratic choice.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yes, I do drive with my fog lights on because I can see more of the road. It's for safety reasons for me....not showing off.... Thus being in a suburb (rather rural) where we don't have many bright street lights it allows me to see the people that walk in the road because of lack of sidewalks. You probably don't do much driving in the dark, where 95% of my driving (about 20k/year) is done in the dark. The fog lights help a lot.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yes, I do drive with my fog lights on because I can see more of the road. It's for safety reasons for me....not showing off.... Thus being in a suburb (rather rural) where we don't have many bright street lights it allows me to see the people that walk in the road because of lack of sidewalks. You probably don't do much driving in the dark, where 95% of my driving (about 20k/year) is done in the dark. The fog lights help a lot.
We can agree to disagree... I found hardly any difference in lighting with fogs turned on rather than off with the OEM lights. Now I fitted HID projectors, though. I cannot even tell if the fogs are on at night.



The downside with these - as all projector HIDs - is the sharp cutoff in lowbeam mode, that necessarily limits the 'throw' to avoid blinding oncomers. This is because the lowbeam uses a shutter to cut off the top half of the light (not a moving bulb like HID bulbs in reflectors have to use).

This is the high beam throw with the shutter out of the way:

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So I wasn't confused....The xenon do need a ballast and to be wired into the exhisting headlight system. The Sylvania ZXE are halogen with a touch of xenon in them (by the way, the only OEM fittable bulb I was able to find that said it had xenon in it), but still work with the OEM plugs. It appears that there are many more xenon kits out there then HID nowadays....am I wrong? And the color of the light (in ballast bulbs) is controlled by the amount of other gases, not painting it or molding it out of colored glass like halogen bulbs. Correct me if I'm wrong....

Explain this:

The ones above at GMroadster are HID, no xenon
http://www.tunersdepot.com/Pontiac_Solstice_HID_Kit.htm - these are xenon and require a ballast
http://www.pegasuslighting.com/xenon-light-bulbs.html - these are xenon and don't require a ballast

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OK, just IGNORE the word Xenon.

Xenon is a gas, used in both types of bulbs (I didn't go that deep before). Usually I've seen Xenon used as a flash marketing term when talking about filament (or incandescent) bulbs, but it's true that Xenon is used as the 'filler' in HID bulbs too. Thus don't base anything on the term Xenon.

Bottom line:
  • Filament (AKA incandescent) bulbs run at 12V, are the same type of bulbs the car came with and are a direct replacement for what you have.
  • HID bulbs use a high voltage electrical arc and need the ballast to produce that high voltage and require re-wiring and or adapters to work in your car. If used in projectors (the ONLY way you SHOULD use them) they also require physical and mechanical changes to the headlamps to mount the projectors.
  • In both cases, the weird and wonderful colors that are available are produced by tints on the outside of the bulbs and REDUCE the light output.
Buy SilverStars (or similar) and call it good. Otherwise, spend $350 (if you DIY) up to $1000-1200 (if you have someone else convert them) and go to HID projector retrofits.

There's your clear choice. DO NOT USE HID BULBS IN YOUR STANDARD REFLECTORS!
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:01 AM   #15 (permalink)
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TS is correct again! NO ONE makes a HID bulb replacement kit that will work correctly in our headlights without modification to the headlight assembly, TS did it, it not an easy task. To simplify things look at an HID bulb, it is very long much longer than a standard bulb, this places the filament in the wrong place in the reflector it is way to far forward, that's why it is so blinding, it is not in the "focal point" of the reflector. I you have ever used a Mag Lite and turned the head to see the shape of the beam change what you are doing is moving the bulb in relation to the focal point of the reflector, pretty easy to see how the shape of the beam changes. You don't want to do this with your headlights. The Hi/Lo HID kits actually move the bulb to change from hi to lo.

I have the Sylvania Silverstar Ultras and have tried lots of others, I can actually see improvement in visibility with these new bulbs as opposed to even the regular Silverstars. By the way there is a difference between a fog light bulb and a driving light bulb, they have different focal points, fog lights light more to the side (they have a short fat pattern) than driving lights which emit a longer narrower beam.
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