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Old 08-03-2010, 09:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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LIPSTICK's 800hp first LNF compound turbo/engine build!

COMPOUND TURBO SET-UP:
Garrett GT4294R (1.0 A/R Tial turbine housing) and Garrett Gt2871R (.63 A/R Tial turbine housing). Both turbos have v-band – and CRYO-TREATED!!!
BTF tubular manifold (321 stainless steel)
BTF 4” downpipe (321 stainless steel)
BTF recirculating dump tube (321 stainless steel)
BTF charge pipes
Turbosmart Power-Gate60 – controls GT2871R turbo
Turbosmart Comp-Gate40 – controls GT4294R turbo
Turbosmart Race Port BOV
Turbosmart Eboost2 60psi electronic boost controller

321 Stainless Steel tubular manifold, downpipe(Swaintech coated and DEI titanium wrapped)
Werks RACE Intercooler – 15” x 3” x 24”
AEM water-methanol kit
DEI Cry02 intercooler spray kit


BATES ENGINEERING RACE BLOCK:
Bates Sleeved block
Bored ,honed, Aligned hone
Decked
Bates Main Studs
Bates Balance shafts
Bates main bearings
Bates chain tensioner spring
Bates billet oil pump gear
LNF camshaft
K1 rods and Wiseco pistons installed

SMG HAND PORTED RACE HEAD:
Supertech 35.5 mm oversized valves
Supertech 78 lb springs (cryo treated)
Supertech retainers/keepers
Bates Head Studs
Bates Rocker Arms (cryo treated)
Aggressive Headwork
Ported and Polished Throttle body and Manifold



FUEL Set-Up:
WERKS custom race manifold w/ port injection
RMR secondary fuel rail
RC engineering 42lb injectors
Split Sec extra injector controller
Nitrous Express SAFE fuel System (extra fuel cell w/ fuel pump and adjustable fpr)
Deatsch Werks 300lph fuel pump
ZZP stage 1 cams w/ big fuel lobe



LIBERTY GEARS/NITROFREEZE Transmission and Drivetrain:
Spec Stage 3+ clutch w/ 11lb Flywheel (Cryo-Treated)
Polished hub and sliders, gear/synchro set (shot peened and cryo-treated)
Pinion, driveshaft, axles, and rear differential (cryo-treated)
Driveshaft Shop 600hp Axles
18"x10" Forgestar Wheels w/ Nitto NTO5 295/35/18


First, I wanted to thank Dave of WERKS for sponsoring me with the Race Intercooler and 60mm Tial wastegate.

I also wanted to give thanks to the following for some feedbacks and insights about the compound turbo set-up planning:
- Dave of DDM
- Shabby
- Marc of Boost logic – you can youtube him (marc compound turbo). He has a very successful compound turbo set-up.
- Kevin Jewel – owner of 1991 Eagle Talon compound turbo set-up (T3 50 trim and T6 s475 w/ 1.06 AR) – 8.97sec @ 156mph Thank you for all the step-by-step answers that you provided me!!! You have been my on-line mentor!!!


Finally, I wanted to give thanks to my my main sponsors/tuner:
Baldturbofreak aka BTF BTF racing will sponsor me for this build. Rick helped me out choose the turbos for my compound turbo set-up, and provided me with the turbos. He will custom fabricate me a tubular manifold and the compound turbo set-up.

Rick is also my main tuner. He will install the compound turbo set-up, and will relocate TONS of stuff to fit this compound turbo set-up.

Ryan of Nitrofreeze for full-sponsorship of the cryogenic treatment of all my parts!!!

Vince of burnsstainless.com for sponsorship of all the stainless steel parts for this build.



Late last year, since SMG had already successfully twincharged the cobalts, by having a rear mount a turbo…………I asked myself, how about adding another turbo on my set-up and mount it at the rear?

So Fred and I started talking about mounting a k04 turbo at the rear, and do a sequential turbo set-up. The k04 turbo will spool fast, and will help have a more responsive car. But after talking to Dave of DDM, Shabby, and Marc, the plan of having a sequential set-up will not work-out as planned and will be very complicated to run smoothly. So I scratched that the plan right away.



So here’s the compound turbo set-up flow:

Exhaust manifold > small turbo (turbine) and powers the engine > excess exhaust gases goes to dp/wastegate > > big turbo (turbine) > big turbo compressor > compressed/cold air goes to small turbo (compressor inlet) > small turbo (compressor outlet) > Intercooler > engine


We are hoping to boost this set-up at around 28-35psi, since the RACE Block can handle it without even sweating. Race block can easily handle 1000 whp. If things go smoothly, the set-up will flow at least 80 lb/min …………and will produce at least 600 whp. It will be an ultimate street machine that will be competitive in auto crossing, drag racing, and road racing.

Will spool from 2800 rpm all the way to 8000 rpm 


GT2871R will be boosting 20psi and GT4094R will be boosting at least 8psi (up to 15psi).

Total boost pressure will be 28-35psi.




BTF will start working on the project mid of August. It will take him about a week to finish everything, then sent all the hot sides to SWAINTECH for ceramic coating

SMG will be working on the head, transmission, all necessary relocations, and everything will start mid August 2010.

BTF and SMG collaboration!

We are hoping to finish the whole project and tune the beast before the end of October 2010.

There will be lots of trial and error during the build, and same goes to the tuning. But that’s normal to every build, especially on a very crazy build like this. But whatever it takes, we will complete this project!!!


LIPSTICK will strive to be the first LNF engine in the 600hp range that will be a daily driver. FIRST EVER compound turbo LNF set-up!!!!



To learn more about compound turbo, here’s my buddy Marc:



To follow this compound turbo build, you can go to this link: Antonio Sky | Facebook

Or search “Antonio Sky” on facebook
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Interesting idea, if your serious about it being a race car don't forget about upgrading your radiator.
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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not really going to be a race car. I was just tired of the lag of the GT35 turbo.....so I wana try something new.

I wana have a reliable street driven car......that has some serious power with very minimal lag.

I might end up having a smaller radiator....so I can fit the whole system. hahaha! but we'll see how everything fits later on....
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Old 08-04-2010, 07:34 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I have a question about your setup. If I understand it correctly, the intake will be on the GT4094R compressor inlet?
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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600whp or 600bhp?
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:00 AM   #6 (permalink)
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for the moment, I'll say 600hp...........

if the set-up can perform better and get 600whp....why not?
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
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all the HP will not help you find Putnam



sorry could not resist
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Old 08-04-2010, 07:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
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all the HP will not help you find Putnam



sorry could not resist

hahaha! I need to get a personal navigator
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Hoooolllllly schnikees! That sounds awesome! You will have a great time, and good luck keeping rubber on your wheels.
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for the moment, I'll say 600hp...........

if the set-up can perform better and get 600whp....why not?
So you're not counting Scarab as a daily driver, eh? Just can't get any love any more.... Guess I'll be disqualified for being the first to 600hp
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So you're not counting Scarab as a daily driver, eh? Just can't get any love any more.... Guess I'll be disqualified for being the first to 600hp
Project Scarab will probably be the first 600hp "daily driver".......I never disqualified that! hahaha! I never said nothing!

if you read my title, it says, 600hp first LNF compound turbo/engine build!

FIRST LNF compound turbo......which is the truth

and yes, I think mine will be a TRUE daily driver..........even winter time

if we can make mine 600whp....then that will be awesome. But I'll be happy with 600hp....with very minimal lag
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more stuff added to the list:

Bates chain tensioner spring
Bates billet oil pump gear
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UPDATE:

since, I'm very cautious about using a tubular manifold that will crack later on. Burnsstainless.com will be providing BTF 321 stainless steel to use for the manifold fabricating. 321 stainless steel tubing is one of the most desirable materials for exhaust systems because of its excellent resistance to fatigue and cracking at elevated temperatures. It is usually the material of choice for high temperature turbo applications.

On top of that, I talked to the manager/metallurgist of Nitrofreeze about having the 321 stainless steel manifold cryo-treated since I really want the BTF tubular manifold to last and not crack due to heat cycles.

Ryan told me that a 321 stainless steel is 17-19% carbon. It would benefit from cryo-treatment. the manifold will undergo stress relieving. This helps remove stresses that will develop intro cracks as the part ages. Retained austenite will convert to martensite making the manifold less susceptible to cracking.

So Nitrofreeze.com, one of my sponsors recommended to have my 321 tubular manifold, dp, and other hot parts be cryo-treated first.....before going to swaintech for ceramic coating.
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here's a couple of videos of my compound turbo mentor (kjewer)...who ran his compound turbo Talon at 8.9 sec at 1/4 mile

YouTube - ‪kjewer1's Channel‬‎

YouTube - ‪kjewer1's Channel‬‎

YouTube - ‪kjewer1's Channel‬‎
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