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Old 05-03-2008, 07:52 PM
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Suspect that is a rumor started by K&N's competitors. In fact, believe it is better than some of the "cool" air systems than are actually close to the turbo. Almost 20K miles without an issue.

I just spent $170.00 to get back the stock CAI from Pontiac, I tried a CAI from one of the suppliers, I saw no gain in performance what so ever!!!, just more noise from the BOV, now I am back to quiet, I have the bypass mod and the wastegate, also I am useing the bov spring from Dejon and a K&N ,boost hits 21 all the time
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Old 05-03-2008, 09:22 PM
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Suspect that is a rumor started by K&N's competitors. In fact, believe it is better than some of the "cool" air systems than are actually close to the turbo. Almost 20K miles without an issue.

you are right , the aftermarket CAi's are closer to the heat that the engine generates, plus when the fan kicks on it is blows right into the area where the aftermarket CAI are located , where as the stock intake would block it, as it located foward of the rad, plus after getting back to the stock intake my temp went down to 192 as it was running 198 to 201 with aftermarket CAI, the air is going where was meant to go
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Old 05-04-2008, 05:31 AM
  
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So, is there really any gain or benefit with the K & N filter?
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you are right , the aftermarket CAi's are closer to the heat that the engine generates, plus when the fan kicks on it is blows right into the area where the aftermarket CAI are located , where as the stock intake would block it, as it located foward of the rad, plus after getting back to the stock intake my temp went down to 192 as it was running 198 to 201 with aftermarket CAI, the air is going where was meant to go

I can argue either way, but, I also have logged before and after the install of my Fujita CAI. Here are some actual facts:

1. You only measure temps when you are at speed.

2. Most of the CAI's see a benefit from reduced restriction in the intake track, not, lowering the IAT's.

3. The factory intake is there for two reasons cleaning the air and reducing the sound. It does a very good job at the expense of some hp.

4. Neither the factory intake or aftermarket systems succeed in getting to the outside.

The following data is from a Fujita CAI with a 3" hole drilled (in the plastic bulkhead) immediately below the filter element.

5. All intake systems will show a temperature higher then ambient, even if the intake head is truly in the outside air. This is because of the heat soaking of all the components under the hood.

6. I am not advocatjng the Fujita unit, but, I can tell you this from logged data:

a. The system flows far better than the factory unit at WOT. This is easily deduced from the way the MAF values are skewed when you initially install the unit. In other words you have to alter the MAF tables values in HPTuners to correct for the new intake.

b. The IAT does not increase with my set-up. The ambient temp and IAT track are about six degrees apart when the car is moving. You have to remember that a temp sensor is a very slow moving device and the real time temps may be different than that which is displayed. As an example, you idle for five minutes, than accelerate to 100, the IAT will take time to show true temps because of the mass of the sensor and its mounting.

With all that said I think that Fujita and Kappashere were not very fair to our membership when they sold us the initial CAI's. There was definitely a problem with contaminants in the filter element. I purchased the unit from Kappashere and they would not return my calls when I encountered the MAF issue - they basically let us work it out ourselves.

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So, is there really any gain or benefit with the K & N filter?

Lyndon Wester tested the stock paper air filter vs our Intake pipe and got a significant difference. He recommends at least a K&N air box drop in for his tune. Our Intake picks up air from the same spot as the factory air box. HPtuner's scans on our and other owner's car's repeatedly show air temp at the MAS about 7deg higher than ambient when driving.
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Old 05-05-2008, 10:48 AM
  
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Has anyone drilled holes in the bottom of the stock airbox? I did this to my tuned Jetta and found a substantial improvement in airflow.
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Any comparison between Wester's Tune and BSR tune??let us know in order to upgrade to Wester.....
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Any comparison between Wester's Tune and BSR tune??let us know in order to upgrade to Wester.....

Not trying to speak for either vendor but I know that BSR does not recommend loading their tune on anything other then a stock car. Not the same for Wester's, as a matter of fact they will customize it for the modifications that you have.
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Not trying to speak for either vendor but I know that BSR does not recommend loading their tune on anything other then a stock car. Not the same for Wester's, as a matter of fact they will customize it for the modifications that you have.


I have the BSR with a Magnaflow cat back , K&N filter & Dejon wastegate spring. Everything else is stock. It's a little rocket. BUT.... we (BSR owners) have been promised a stage two which is supposed to allow an IC upgrade etc.. and the reality is that nothing has come out yet and I am getting impatient.

From what I have seen several BSR folks are running upgraded IC's and have no problems, a limited few have had problems. I have been waiting patiently.... but no new stage two BSR yet. I am going to go for an upgraded IC and if I have problems, Westers HERE I COME! I hate to give up the EASY switch from stock to tuned that the BSR gives.. but I will if I need to. Either way, it looks like good things are happening from the tuner shops for our GXP's!!

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Drivetime, if you look up BSR PPC, the stage two is a stage one with an exhaust. Sounds like you are already there so Westers is the way to go
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:13 PM
  
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I have the Wester's and HP tuners on my truck too, it takes 2 minutes to change back and forth between my 93 octane HOT tune and my 87 octane high millage tune, I am driving to Atlanta this weekend from DC so 87 and high millage. I have been thinking of getting an 87 tune for the Solstice just for trips, we do the same thing with my sons truck. Wester's it's not just for Solstices any more. He has a tune for just about anything GM makes.
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Drivetime, if you look up BSR PPC, the stage two is a stage one with an exhaust. Sounds like you are already there so Westers is the way to go

From what I was told, the stage two normally is just for exhaust mods. But, the one being built for the GXP was supposed to be a bit more. However, no sign of anything yet in spite of the promises of a release early this year. Westers may end up being the next move. It sounds like it has worked out pretty well for you so far!
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:11 AM
  
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I've posted this else where too, but if anybody is looking for a brand new ECU, never installed i have one for sale. from GM Parts Direct, just looking to get what i paid for it (including shipping).
I don't need it. nothing tricky or shadey.

http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f...er-used-45649/
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Old 05-08-2008, 07:05 AM
  
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a. The system flows far better than the factory unit at WOT. This is easily deduced from the way the MAF values are skewed when you initially install the unit. In other words you have to alter the MAF tables values in HPTuners to correct for the new intake.

Isn't the Fujita intake pipe a smaller diameter than stock?
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