Ya - I think you and I are on the opposite end of the Turbo spectrum. I respect that you run 'em hard and put 'em away wet. Wish I could afford to do that. I really just want the car to feel like it should. It looks so damn good, so I think it should respond like my '73 Firebird Formula, my '78 Vette or my '78 T/A - all of which had big V8's in them. I'm convinced that the latest technology can deliver the same power out of a 4 cyl if properly tuned, so I'm looking for it. Not a 10 second car, maybe a 13 second one tho.

I should maybe have bought the GXP, but trading my N/A for it now is not an option. Wife would kill me. Spending 4 or 5 grand getting what I want out of this car is possible however. That's my quest, but not at the risk of killing the car for it.

Right now I'm leaning toward DDM, as the SC seems to offer enough power without the headaches of the Turbo (tuning, A/F mix, knock issues), but it's too soon to tell if the SC will be reliable enough either.

zzzybil - Sorry for the mix up - coulda fooled me.

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2006 2.4 Solstice
Envious/Darkside/cloth int.
Limited Slip Diff, Sport suspension
GM Factory black mud guards

Alarm system
Airbag cover decal
Tony's slotted backup light covers
DDM Intercooler
DDM STAGE 2 Supercharger
DDM Stainless Coil Cover
DDM High Flow Catalitic Converter (still in the box)

Wish List
Aftershock side markers
Tony's Stripes
Solo SQR2 dual center exhaust
Norms Center Diffuser style rear fascia, fenders and skirts
Audi style headlights
DDM Backbone

Well SolGTP and I are starting to get up there in mileage on the DDM kits. If you want reliability watch for any threads from us. Something tells me Randy wouldn't post problems though.

I'm at 14,000 miles on mine so far since the add-on. 26,000 total.

One small add-on also, I'm 19. I do not drive this car like most do. I push it daily taking it over 100, WOT runs at least a few times a day. I've been down the 1320 at least 25 times, and she seems to be better by the day. Even the clutch is still holding 100% fine. I call that quality no matter what anyone says. I'm sure my motor will be the first to let go with the DDM kit, but I will have no blame for DDM at all. I probably would let them know, and then go on with my life.

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2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 - 500HP/525 ft/lbs!!

Previously known as "SolScuba"

I think one of the biggest problems is having a locked ecm. If your running lean what do you do? Fly hahn or werks down to the dyno your running on?

King, a turbo can be safe. Good gas, add a wideband, frequent oil changes. Keep the boost at safe levels.

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2007 gxp solstice loaded + smokers package
2006 cobalt
2007 Corvette
2006 lotus exige
2005 hayabusa

Red Bull Drift team 2008

Team Yankee!

Sure, a turbo can be safe. IMO though he is better fit with a s/c. There is a lot more maintenance with a turbo than a s/c. If you drive the car daily I don't think an aftermarket turbo is the right route. If my car was a weekend warrior I would have went stage IV turbo and been done with it. It's my d.d. though and I needed 100% reliability. I didn't want to get a bad tank of gas and have the motor go kaboom, have the worry off overboosting, or something coming loose and leading to catastrophic failure. JMHO

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2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 - 500HP/525 ft/lbs!!

Previously known as "SolScuba"

Sure I would, here's the list of issues I've had after 26k on the kit and the resolution...remember this was the PROTOTYPE.

shreaded belt - due to over tightening -

destroyed nose bearing - i forgot to put S/C oil in the nose after a tear down - my fault, result of it being a prototype system, production units come sealed from the manufacter and are good for 100k miles no user service required

Car would not Crank - Bad electrical ground path -- this happened after I powercoated the bracket the ground wire attaches to. - Sanded off the powercoat at the terminal bolt

Couple of codes due to my cut/splice wires coming loose -- non-issue with production kit, as they have plug and play wiring harnesses...I did not have this luxury

broke a couple T-clamps - due to using the air rachet too much


I don't drive my car as hard as Scuba, but Dave does...

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06 Cool solstice - Positively Displaced intercooled SUPERCHARGER Current Status : having fun
98 GP GTP - ~500hp (intercooled, 15psi) Current Status :broken Tranny
86 C10 Silverado ~ 450hp (383"^3 NA) Current Status : broken tranny

Sol Scuba - Sure, a turbo can be safe. IMO though he is better fit with a s/c. There is a lot more maintenance with a turbo than a s/c. If you drive the car daily I don't think an aftermarket turbo is the right route. If my car was a weekend warrior I would have went stage IV turbo and been done with it. It's my d.d. though and I needed 100% reliability. I didn't want to get a bad tank of gas and have the motor go kaboom, have the worry off overboosting, or something coming loose and leading to catastrophic failure. JMHO

I drive mine everyday...run premium fuel (93 octane in GA) and have had no issues thus far. Will get the stage III and drive it daily as well. It's a kick in the pants

I'd like to see proof that given a certain amount of modified cars, an aftermarket turbo is more akin to going bad, per say, then adding an aftermarket super charger.

It's kind of like an urban legend...people hear and think what they want to. I'm happy to hear you are enjoying your ride, me too.

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06 Deep Blue
Confirmed Boost Junky!
Hahn Stage II
Anxiously Awaiting a Stage III

I now have 7k on my SC kit...I installed it my self and From day one it has run without a problem....just had a dyno run.....not sure if they had it right...I ended up with 223whp and 214 T The S/C is only putting out 5LB of boost.....I will be going back in two weeks and then I will post the chart...I think they are alittle high....But I have alot of Mods...seal9

hahaha good gas and frequent oil changes - where's the lot more maintenance ?....( in your mind )..... give me a hint ?.... i know you ain't beatin the heck out that car on cheap gas and 6k + mile oil changes are yuh?
theres advantages to both sc/ turbo ... pros/cons ..lol.. but seriously if i'm forgetting something clue me in .......all i've done is change the oil ?.........help a girl out ??

listen scoobbiedoo - whatcha base for these opinions?... i don't normally challenge guys.......i'm just wondering why yuh think gm went turbo (gxp ) if sc is all that ((( ))) its totally misleading saying that my turbo is not just as suited to daily driving as your sc.......... begging your pardon mista . . turbos are better!! turbos recycle power- make their own / a sc drains power..... you gotta make "MORE" to break even ..... so to speak..... i'm thinking more stress too....

...mine behaves as well as any NA.....sounds better/ and when i want more..... its there and i got more....

.. i won't argue you went "safe"..... reasonable/ moderate gains & cautious boost limit..- we all agree thats key...candy sweet looks...... not to mention dave and randy totally connected / in touch -HERE FOR their owners / products 24 /7- imo those guys make your/ their kit the winner of okras short list options.

.especially considering his goals........hahaha i'll give yuh that much.......

...... hahn no doubt has dibbs on power..... how many wot miles/ runs on bill's beast ?and how much longevity..?... makes no sense marks "built internals failed " already and the almost stock monster.......wellllllll...... they make no fear look EZ gotta love'm

....my $$$ is on you ...if a sc fails....... i'm thinking if a 19 yr old hasn't torn it up tho in 14 K miles...that sucker is prolly rock solid and in all fairness who thought i'd get this far..lol..last this long......

add a wide band ? well duhhhhhh .....no way to tune without it ....and prolly a nice safety feature for any boosted vehicle..... you got 1 too right..lol ((((finally )))

so like the man said - comes down to gut check time - i'm betting okra has the bug.....and if he has the bucks too...... " boosted as seen on okra" is justa matter of time

okra -imo odds are "catastrophic failure is more likely going to be coming from an SUV driver talkin on a cell , or a drunk in a whoopdee

and whats the odds of 2 failed sols in the same town...lol... worse case you'll end up divorced , homeless, walk the street no car mammerjammer........j/k... nobody has all the answers yet.....

theres nothing wrong with an NA..- the car will last longer...theoretically

..... i just wanna "pass" safely on my 2 lane ,,,
,,, never had a 4 banger before and wasn't quite comfortable needing to be down sticking and shiftin - working so hard to KNOW i could get the heck out the way just "mashin on it "....

..... to the point i get 32 mpg easy @ 70 mph cruisin and lickitty split PDQ anytime i want (= scary fast in a heartbeat on the 2 lane)..
..just did 1500 mile trip to an orlando class........ i'm still tryin to learn tuning - and resent the home brew remarks as my components are all 1st class... no aquarium parts .lol..tho i have fashioned a weird home depo venturi device in lieu of norms fenders (ie cheap vent.). hahaha yeah home brew alright..........as in "girls don't try this at home "

..i'm lackin the slick good looks of ddm's kit ( hey the car's looks have never been a question )and function over form is a fact of life -my priority under the hood at this point

, i'm not confined by a locked ecm....hahaha some would say thats NOT an advantage...lol.
in a nutshell its all about the tune.........
and in all actuality - its pretty amazing not to be in the#1-4 ... i always thought i'd be #1

...learned this in tuning class
" know how to spot a pioneer ? " ---->> "arrows in their back" ...lol.. i think i was 1st here anyway . and you guys have seen me thru. ..i didn't intend on being a "pioneer"....... as in DIY.....

lovin this thread ..hahahaha......

sybil .......zzzybil........- who the heck would seriously talk cars with a girl.......a crazy one who thinks she can do this----- not like its a secret but by the time you know....lol...it doesn't matter right?

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BOOsted 2.4

42lb injectors
3" tubes front to back
5-7 boost
trim 50 garrett t3/t4 custom- bare bones pumpking
38mm tial wastegate / bov
custom i/c (BELL)
Werks radiator
aem wideband
gxp exhaust /magna flo - integrated dumptube ( b_faster and R&D automotive
custom manifold (sh**er the skunk )
hi flo cat
HPTUNING - the hard part !!!
JET-HOT 2000
aerologic egt kit
YEAH I DID THAT !

I think the point here is more that only a 50 HP / TQ increase is safer than 100 HP / TQ increase. It has nothing to do with weather it's a Turbo vs. S/C and in fact if you want to split hairs on that issues a positive displacement S/C would cause the most concern. It puts the highest amount of load on the engine during the longest dwell times and with the least efficient thermal performance. You are also putting lateral loads on the crank and accessories that they are not designed to handle.
Someone who straps a simple T3-50 Trim running 6-8psi to produce only 50 HP/TQ increase would see the same longevity from the system as the DDM S/C system.

I will say that knowing what I do about this ECU and asking a lot of questions of all the sources for tuning it there isn't yet a tune available that is even half as robust as is offered in the LNF. That's not a fair apples to apples comparison, but it's worth noting that even as good as tunes may be they are not quite up to snuff in my opinion. I'm beginning to see signs that some MAPS have either been left stock or duplicated for multiple Octane conditions for example.

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-Adam Chant
SCdyne Performance Engineering
"Tune it or lose it!

TEAM SCSKYSC 2008
I don't know..?

I've put 11k on mine. Half on stage II and half on stage III. I knew going in that it was going to void my warranty and that I could potentially blow a motor. I wanted/needed more power. I did my homework on aftermarket adders and decided on Hahn. We bought two and after putting mine in, my partner flew home after riding in and driving my car and installed his. It's not my daily driver but I find that I drive it more than I originally would have imagined, due to the fact that it is a blast to drive. I haven't had this much enjoyment behind the wheel since I had my 87 GTA. I also don't drive it like I stole it, but I do drive it very spirited. WOT a couple times a year just to check a/f on my wideband. As for maintenance, most guys willing to install aftermarket power adders keep a close eye on their babies anyway, and don't mind the neccessary tweaking that goes with it. To hear about this happening to someone doesn't scare or surprise me in the least. In fact I'm really surprised that it took this long for it to happen. If I was twenty all over again with a car like this look out. I'd have stock in "crate engine depot". If I had to do it over again, I'd call Bill and buy two more systems. In fact I may go to stage IV this winter because I think the motor can handle it. If it was going to be my daily driver I'd probably go GXP. All in all, I think that there are three quality systems on the market that I wouldn't think twice about using. In some respects, cars are like humans. Treat them with respect and take care of them and they should last a long time. Ride-em hard and they wear out faster. Some small percentage are destined to fall apart. So I think it's all relative. My one beef with them is the complexity of the tune on todays motors, and I think it will only get worse as cafe rating go higher and they try to wring more out of internal combustion. Locked ecm's and complex programming can really hamper some of these guys that want to learn on the fly. I for one would love to get in and look at the program in my ecm, but it's locked. I understand the reason behind locking it, as engineering is expensive for someone else to copy and turn a nice profit with the marketing that comes with the todays internet. Ask zzybil what a bad tune can do.

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Mysterious, Ebony w/ everything but OnStar and XM.
Hahn Stage III
Greddy Profec Boost Controller
Greddy BOV Upgrade
Zeitronics A/F & Boost Gage
Hi-Flow Converter, Magnaflow Cat Back
Goodyear Eagle D3's-WOW
Stabilizer Kit Upgrade
"Pontiac Racing" Illuminated Wind Restrictor
Power Steering Reservoir Move Mod
Dashhawk
Snow Perf. Methanol Injection

Are you actually reading 5 lbs of boost?? I'm tapping out at 4.3 according to dashhawk.
I wonder if dashhawk is accurate.

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2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 - 500HP/525 ft/lbs!!

Previously known as "SolScuba"

WOT a couple times a year??

I feel as though my car may not last much longer.

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2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 - 500HP/525 ft/lbs!!

Previously known as "SolScuba"