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It really boils down to what you final expectations are when power adding. My first consideration was reliability and with the three systems I considered, I felt it was a wash. Second was the power level limitation of the adder in conjunction with how far I am willing to push the stock motor or continue with more internal mods as required. IMO that was were I think I prefered a turbo for this application over a s/c. At the time I think Hahns stage II was producing power gains equal to the s/c, with stage III close to 300 HP near release and Stage IV still in testing and showing good (still preliminary) reliability results on a stock motor. First, I have not had the opportunity to ride in a s/c sol. But these are pretty high revving motors even without driving in a spirited fashion. The turbo lag of my car is not un-noticeable, but the motor gets to 3.2k rpm's in a hurry and the threshold crossing is so smooth that I find it hard to see that much of an advantage for a s/c application with this 4 cylinder. Unlike a low revving 8 cylinder. Then if and when I get hungry for more power I have the potential to squeeze another 50-60 HP out of a turbo. I think it has the potential to be little less maintenance free or requires keeping an eye on, but as I've stated, most guys that power add like to tinker anyway. So both are good/great additions to a beautiful car that needed a kick in the rear. What final results are you after and are you sure 245 is enough.
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It really boils down to what you final expectations are when power adding. ........ So both are good/great additions to a beautiful car that needed a kick in the rear. What final results are you after and are you sure 245 is enough.
I'm almost happy enough with my current setup, except when the TT, Z4 or Boxster show up. I would like to have a respectable stop light to stop light run against them. I'm not likely to go looking for a 1/4 mile time, although I would like to end around 13 seconds with my mods.
Is 245 the end of the line? DDM adds 50 with the s/c so 177+50 = 237 (or 195WHP) but exhaust mods can add another 15 or 20 can't they?? If so, that would give me 250ish with 210 to the wheels. I think that might be enough to take the listed cars between lights.
Low end torque is another reason I'm leaning toward DDM
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A long tube header exhaust would be a very good addition and also a nice exhaust system from Solo.
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I'm almost happy enough with my current setup, except when the TT, Z4 or Boxster show up. I would like to have a respectable stop light to stop light run against them. I'm not likely to go looking for a 1/4 mile time, although I would like to end around 13 seconds with my mods.
Is 245 the end of the line? DDM adds 50 with the s/c so 177+50 = 237 (or 195WHP) but exhaust mods can add another 15 or 20 can't they?? If so, that would give me 250ish with 210 to the wheels. I think that might be enough to take the listed cars between lights.
Low end torque is another reason I'm leaning toward DDM
Stock Boxster S has 320 HP, you add a supercharger or a turbo you may stay close enough to see his/her license plate. I was humbled by a blond driving a canary yellow S. I seen her speed activated spoiler popped up and then she walked about from me. I took the same exit as her and pulled in on the opposite side of the pump, struck up a conversation and got a date (not a small feat given my less than prince charming looks and less than charismatic personality). The gearing of the Boxster made better use of the power. I think I could take the S in a quarter mile sprint but I can't touch it on a roll from 50 MPH. I run out of transmission at 127 MPH. Plus the NA kappa is a real pig at high speed. The suspension on the NA kappa is still way too soft for this type of driving. Redline/GXPs are totaly different at speed than the NA kappas due to the upgraded and firmer suspension
The gearing in the 2.4 kappa tranny isn't very good for a modded car (or stock car for that matter). I cannot run WTO in 1st or second due to the super low gearing. The General in his infinite wisdom gave us a tranny from his parts pin, the same one that's used in the Colorado PUs. My biggest complaint I have about the kappa platform is that they shift like cheap pickup trucks. The gearning in the Redline/GXPs is musch closer. I would like to find a wrecked Redline/GXP and scavenge the tranny from it (direct bolt up???)
I still think you would be better off trading for a GXP. Factory turbo with warranty, gearing better matched to power and a way better suspension. I think the GXP may also have some badging and interior upgrades.
Stock Boxster S has 320 HP, you add a supercharger or a turbo you may stay close enough to see his/her license plate. I was humbled by a blond driving a canary yellow S. I seen her speed activated spoiler popped up and then she walked about from me. I took the same exit as her and pulled in on the opposite side of the pump, struck up a conversation and got a date (not a small feat given my less than prince charming looks and less than charismatic personality). The gearing of the Boxster made better use of the power. I think I could take the S in a quarter mile sprint but I can't touch it on a roll from 50 MPH. I run out of transmission at 127 MPH. Plus the NA kappa is a real pig at high speed. The suspension on the NA kappa is still way too soft for this type of driving. Redline/GXPs are totaly different at speed than the NA kappas due to the upgraded and firmer suspension
The gearing in the 2.4 kappa tranny isn't very good for a modded car (or stock car for that matter). I cannot run WTO in 1st or second due to the super low gearing. The General in his infinite wisdom gave us a tranny from his parts pin, the same one that's used in the Colorado PUs. My biggest complaint I have about the kappa platform is that they shift like cheap pickup trucks. The gearning in the Redline/GXPs is musch closer. I would like to find a wrecked Redline/GXP and scavenge the tranny from it (direct bolt up???)
I still think you would be better off trading for a GXP. Factory turbo with warranty, gearing better matched to power and a way better suspension. I think the GXP may also have some badging and interior upgrades.
Bill,
Is the s-model turboed? I saw the commercial that the gxp can outrun the boxer. Good job on the date with the blonde.
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I have the DMM supercharger with a FocuzTech tri-y long tube header, their hi-flow cat and the Magnaflow exhaust. I went from 156 RWHP to 189 RWHP adding the S/C. The same afternoon we dyno'd 2 GXP's at 212 and 216. The next morning the 3 of us went to the Cecil Count Dragstrip for the Pontiac outlaw nationals. I ran the 212 GXP twice during time trial. First time his reaction time was .2 seconds better than mine, second run I was .2 seconds faster out of the box and beat him by .2 seconds. we both made it to the quarter finals where we boxed out. I had dialed in a 14.15 and turned a 14.102. He did the same thing and turned a 14.01.
the two GXP's went to a different dyno last month and showed about 15-20 more HP.
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I have the DMM supercharger with a FocuzTech tri-y long tube header, their hi-flow cat and the Magnaflow exhaust. I went from 156 RWHP to 189 RWHP adding the S/C. The same afternoon we dyno'd 2 GXP's at 212 and 216. The next morning the 3 of us went to the Cecil Count Dragstrip for the Pontiac outlaw nationals. I ran the 212 GXP twice during time trial. First time his reaction time was .2 seconds better than mine, second run I was .2 seconds faster out of the box and beat him by .2 seconds. we both made it to the quarter finals where we boxed out. I had dialed in a 14.15 and turned a 14.102. He did the same thing and turned a 14.01.
the two GXP's went to a different dyno last month and showed about 15-20 more HP.
So your number of 189 should really be 204 to 209?? If so, my assessment of a SC with exhaust mods is about right at 210?
Also - in a Q mile to held even with GXP more or less, so I'd bet you would be faster beween lights
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Bill,
Is the s-model turboed? I saw the commercial that the gxp can outrun the boxer. Good job on the date with the blonde.
The S is naturally aspirated. The S has bigger brakes, different gearing and a bigger engine than the base Boxtser.
I have a base 97 Boxster (2.5l) with an TPC supercharger and it puts 322 hp to the wheels. The newer Boxtser Ss have 3.2l motors.
A GXP could probably outrun the base Boxster (would be a close race) but not the S. If its a race through a tight course the Boxster is going to win hands down (even the base model). The kappas have a propensity to have the back end slide out when under Gs and throttle. The Redlines/GXPs are a whole lot better than the NA cars but don't handle as well as the Porsche which isn't a big surprise. Tight handling is Porsche's shtick, no one does it better. Of course with refined handling comes a stiff price tag.
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i'm curious how close we'll come to my guess of 50....or if there is closer to 200..
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any word from your friend..or hahn on what failed...are they tearing it down yet ?
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we finally have a 2.4 boosted section !.........please sign in and lets do a count
i'm curious how close we'll come to my guess of 50....or if there is closer to 200..
Last I heard they torn down the engine, found a destroyed piston and were in teh process of replacing the rods with racing strength ones.
NO word from Mr. Hahn on this car yet.
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2006 2.4 Solstice
Envious/Darkside/cloth int.
Limited Slip Diff, Sport suspension
GM Factory black mud guards
Alarm system
Airbag cover decal
Tony's slotted backup light covers
DDM Intercooler
DDM STAGE 2 Supercharger
DDM Stainless Coil Cover
DDM High Flow Catalitic Converter (still in the box)
Wish List
Aftershock side markers
Tony's Stripes
Solo SQR2 dual center exhaust
Norms Center Diffuser style rear fascia, fenders and skirts
Audi style headlights
DDM Backbone
Stock Boxster S has 320 HP, you add a supercharger or a turbo you may stay close enough to see his/her license plate. I was humbled by a blond driving a canary yellow S. I seen her speed activated spoiler popped up and then she walked about from me. I took the same exit as her and pulled in
I would like to have a respectable stop light to stop light run against them. I'm not likely to go looking for a 1/4 mile time, although I would like to end around 13 seconds with my mods.
