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post #331 of 355 (permalink) Old 10-24-2018, 06:40 AM
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These seem to be out of stock everywhere. When will new ones be available?
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These seem to be out of stock everywhere. When will new ones be available?
That is the question a lot of us would like an answer to.

One of my two has failed and I will need a replacement for it, but I will keep using the emulator until they are available. I would be using it anyway, probably, since I need some operating time to confirm reliability ahead of making some.

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I have two new spares I bought from Europe. I might be induced to part with one.

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I recently got in line for this recall. Reading the many posts concerning this issue, and having just bought my Solstice last June, I was under the impression GM was really dragging their feet on getting this done. After a bit of research, the information I'm getting is that it went into full effect in February 2018.

We live in a McDonald's society where people want things done their way - and done yesterday - but reality has a way of doing what it wants when it wants.

I was initially going to suggest the forum consider starting a petition that could be sent to the NHTSA demanding quicker action. And down the line that may still be an option. But personally, I don't think we're there just yet. If we're in the same boat this time next year, I'll be the first to sign!

I just located this website that fully explains this recall. It gives in-depth information and includes photos along with the procedure.

I hope this helps. And if by next June most of us haven't had this procedure done. Then let's start thinking about a massive petition to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

https://gm.oemdtc.com/7393/17036-02-...010-saturn-sky

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Food for thought: Due to our funky federal laws, "technically" the Kappa platform could be considered "defective" due to this recall. It is against federal law to sell, even on a personal basis at a yard sale, an item that is under recall without it first being repaired. With that in mind, is it against federal law for any dealership (new or used) to sell a Kappa?

Note this paragraph from the website link: Attention: It is a violation of Federal law for a dealer to deliver a new motor vehicle or any new or used item of motor vehicle equipment (including a tire) covered by this notification under a sale or lease until the defect or noncompliance is remedied.

The paragraph kind of weasels it's way around federal law by not including "new or used motor vehicle" in the sentence.

We've gone down a slippery slope in this country with some of our consumer and environmental laws. Government overreach at it's finest.

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I know some will question the yard sale recall statement, so I'm adding these links:
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Be aware that only a very small percentage of the Kappas out there need the replacement PPS. If your PPS is in a working condition, as many are, you get a piece of reinforcing tape installed on your existing sensor, the seating surface is reinstalled and you are out the door. It's a 3 dollar part, and a half hour of labor, and you are done. Mine was a 45 minute install about a week after the recall was announced in February, 2018.



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Is the new sensor mat all that different from the original? If they have to add the reinforcement it must be pretty much the same?

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The new part is the original design with an added surface reinforcement tape to reduce the flexing that causes the failure.
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The new part is the original design with an added surface reinforcement tape to reduce the flexing that causes the failure.
That's what I was thinking, thanks for the confirmation.



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The new part is the original design with an added surface reinforcement tape to reduce the flexing that causes the failure.
Is that right? I thought - from previous posts - that the dealer had to still install the reinforcement strips, even on a new cushion assembly?

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Is that right? I thought - from previous posts - that the dealer had to still install the reinforcement strips, even on a new cushion assembly?
I guess that depends on how you split hairs, so in the strictest sense I was incorrect. My intent was to convey that if you as the vehicle owner have a new sensor installed by the GM dealer under the recall you will end up with the original design sensor plus the reinforcing tape.

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post #342 of 355 (permalink) Old 10-31-2018, 02:14 AM
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The sensor seem to be Made in Luxembourg. It was fastened with three stripes of dublebsided tape, very easy to remove. To see if I can get any wiser I will try to measure the digital signal from the unit and take off the felt to see if I can see any actual damage.
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post #343 of 355 (permalink) Old 10-31-2018, 03:48 AM
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Progress report.
When powering up the sensor nothing happens whatsoever, no digital activity nothing?!

Took away the felt cover and dug deeper into the pps and at least I managed to find the broken part. That feels good because now I know that there is an actual problem with the PPS and probably not with any other system in the car.
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Right @kjelle69, but I'm afraid you're "reinventing the wheel". We've already been down this path. If you look on page 6 of this same thread (https://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/...53/index6.html) you'll see pics of the fault. This was what @Robotech (may he live forever) used for pursuing NHTSA to get a recall.

And @JohnWR has traced the serial communication and has worked on an emulator to simulate a working mat.

Still, what you've shown is a good reinforcement (ha!) of the same failure mode.
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I am working from a faulty memory since all of my notes are at home and I am at work, but from what I remember the PPS is a slave device, and only transmits data in response to a query from the SDM.

I am going to re-install my damaged PPS to see what the DTC is, because there is a specific code for a failed PPS and you are getting one for invalid or missing data. As I was doing my analysis I had a lot of invalid or missing data faults, and they were self-resetting in that they went away as soon as I installed a working PPS and did not require any reset with the Tech2. The failed PPS (broken like yours and most all of them) set what I assume was a different DTC because I was told that it did require a Tech2 reset. I was not present for the replacement, but I still have the failed part.

It is of course reasonable to assume that there could be different failure modes even if the cause is the same broken sensor trace.

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