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He is am "engineer" of sorts, having been involved with radio and tv. I would agree he is not a "scientist". An inventor, absolutely. An accidental discoverer of something unexpected, what is known as serendipity -perhaps. Time will tell. 60 years ago would you have believed you could cook a hot dog with radio waves and not just two nails some copper wire, and a wall plug? (raise your hand everyone who did that- jst remember the nails go parallle and never ever pont them ast each other)

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We know that the radiofrequency energy used was 200 watts, and the frequency was 13.56 megahertz.

200 watts is a lot of power to effect a small test tube of salt water. It would seem that a lower wattage would suffice.

My question is, why didn't the paper towel wick burn when it was in the test tube? Perhaps it didn't burn because it was damp?
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Someone said "Almost certainly this is an energetic dead end; you don't get something for nothing in this universe,
I have read a great many post that seem to all say what was said here. but, I have to ask,
Is burning coal or oil or putting gas into your car any different? you put way more oil into the process of generating electricity for commercial use than you get out,,, but the grid needs electricity and yes it costs allot to produce it. If we spend allot to produce it by burning sea water rather than oil then we will be closer to breaking our dependency on foreign oil. this seems like a good idea to me. Who said that this discovery was "free energy" anyway? Why are so many people putting it down because it is not "free energy? It seems to me that it will beat burning oil all to pieces. Of course it's not Free but with some refinement it may well turn out to be cost effective when you factor in oil dependency. Look at all of the money put into extracting, transporting and refining oil and coal.
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Home Made Quickie Hydrogen?

Is this a faster way to recharge a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle? Imagine a car or filling station hydrogen generator as such: Your car has a salt water tank which you use to replenish hydrogen by plugging your car into a wall outlet. In other words your car can have itís own hydrogen converter. This can be augmented by solar power especially when you park in the sun, your car can generate hydrogen all day long, you just need solar cells on the roof. Or a filling station gets shipments of salt water which goes into underground tanks, this is then rapidly converted to hydrogen on demand for your fuel cell vehicle using the radio waves and electricity.

it seems that a guy named Stanley Meyer used a similar system to create an autonomous water propelled hydrogen vehicle technology. It acceletrated the Hydrogen from water reaction using low current at a high frequesncy.

CHECK THIS OUT: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...92194168790800
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Someone said "Almost certainly this is an energetic dead end; you don't get something for nothing in this universe,
I have read a great many post that seem to all say what was said here. but, I have to ask,
Is burning coal or oil or putting gas into your car any different? you put way more oil into the process of generating electricity for commercial use than you get out,,, but the grid needs electricity and yes it costs allot to produce it. If we spend allot to produce it by burning sea water rather than oil then we will be closer to breaking our dependency on foreign oil. this seems like a good idea to me. Who said that this discovery was "free energy" anyway? Why are so many people putting it down because it is not "free energy? It seems to me that it will beat burning oil all to pieces. Of course it's not Free but with some refinement it may well turn out to be cost effective when you factor in oil dependency. Look at all of the money put into extracting, transporting and refining oil and coal.
Not necessilarily true. The energy return for gasoline is over 600% (meaning it only requires about 15% of the energy in a gallon of gasoline to pump crude out of the ground, refine it, ship it to the gas station, store it, and dispense it to your car's gas tank). Good ol' mother nature already stored the energy for us millions of years ago (or 6,480 years ago, if you are a creationist fundamentalist... ) We just dig it up, dust it off (refine it) and burn it.


Coal is CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP. Electrical production costs less than $0.02/kw-hr from coal, even the lastest and most expensive scrubbed coal electrical production plants. Nuclear is a bit more expensive, wind is closer to $0.10/kw-hr, solar maybe as high as $0.40/kw-hr. The amount of energy it takes to mine coal is miniscule compared to the kw-hr we get from burning a ton (2000 lbs) of it. Estimates are that it takes the equivalent of burning about 68 lbs of coal to obtain a ton of it - and we have plenty of it. Hundreds of years of it, in fact, even at our current and projected future ELECTRICAL energy demands.

The question of proven oil reserves is really a matter of access. Even at $150/barrel, crude is STILL cheaper to buy from mideast, offshore drilling, etc., but when it gets to be around $200/barrel, and gasoline approaches $8-$9/gallon... well THEN that's a different story. US Oil shale and the Canadian tar sands have enough proven oil reserves to supply North America alone for well over 150 years - more than the proven stores of mideast oil. It simply isn't economical to do so, because gasoline is so cheap due to cheap mideast oil.

Make no mistake, OPEC knows this. That's why they just decided to start producing more oil - exactly to keep the price per barrel down. WHY? b/c when it gets REALLY expensive, we'll turn to the more difficult but self-sustainable reserves available on our continent, and show them the middle finger. Then they'll go selling the oil to China and India.

In fact, that is exactly why we continue to be dependent on oil - it is simply the cheapest way out of the situation, global warming bs be damned.




So - back to the "discovery", "experiment" or whatever it is. So, this guy has found a way to take 200 watts, and create heat energy. What exactly does he plan on doing with this heat energy?

If you use it to take it through the rankine cycle and turn a turbine, you put in 200 watts of electrical energy in the form of radio waves, and convert it into a whopping 55 watts of electrical energy.... sounds like how you make a million dollars in racing - you first start with FIVE million.....
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Is this a faster way to recharge a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle? Imagine a car or filling station hydrogen generator as such: Your car has a salt water tank which you use to replenish hydrogen by plugging your car into a wall outlet. In other words your car can have it’s own hydrogen converter. This can be augmented by solar power especially when you park in the sun, your car can generate hydrogen all day long, you just need solar cells on the roof. Or a filling station gets shipments of salt water which goes into underground tanks, this is then rapidly converted to hydrogen on demand for your fuel cell vehicle using the radio waves and electricity.

it seems that a guy named Stanley Meyer used a similar system to create an autonomous water propelled hydrogen vehicle technology. It acceletrated the Hydrogen from water reaction using low current at a high frequesncy.

CHECK THIS OUT: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...92194168790800
Meyer? The shyster who was sued in Ohio and lost about 10 years ago for fraud? THAT stanley meyer, with the mythical dune buggy that ran on water that no scientist was ever allowed to look at, or was never running and therefore never available for examination? They guy who died years ago, but everyone says he was poisoned? THAT guy?



What geek kid has not made hydrogen and oxygen from electrolysis? I did. My friends also did. So did my siblings, and many other geek friends... heck, we made literally GALLONS of hydrogen and oxygen when I was a kid.


Kanzius' discovery, turns out, actually HAS been evaluated, and shown that it does NOT yield net energy. It's a neat experiment, thought provoking, but no better than the misguided attempts to create a "hydrogen economy."
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Too late. The oil companies just bought the rights to the process, this guy Kanzius, his friends and family, the mineral rights on salt water and has persuaded congress to pass a ban on any form of RF generation anywhere near salt water.

(In best John Stewart voice, shaking fist) DAMB YOU EVIL OIL COMPANIES!!!
The other day I got 44 mpg with my GXP after tanking up and traveling 35 miles. You think if I pee in the tank to top it off I might reach 50 mpg? Won't need the ocean salt water!
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Uh, yeah. 200 watts IS almost 225 watts.



But why didn't he just say it was enough to light two 100 watt bulbs?
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Clorox?

How about the chlorine and oxygen in all this? If the Cl and O get together, they should make Clorox, and since it is bleach, it makes everything white, just like the flame above the test tube! So we get a cure for cancer, energy and laundry products all out of one process! As the lady in green on TV says, How cool is that? Can the glass in the test tube be a catalyst? Silicon has an S in it, and so does Sodium....just wondering

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A salt molecule? Did you sleep through chemistry class or what?
...what was the question? I was checking my eyelids for light leaks....

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