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Passenger Restraint system

Finally followed up with the recall on the passenger restraint system in May. Barely anyone rides with me. Now the passenger airbag light will not light and the seatbelt on the display will not go off. Looked for disconnections, everything connected around seat. Seat belt buckled. Any clues out there?
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Are you saying you have already had the Passenger Presence Seat (PPS) RECALL work done at a dealer?
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yes it was done by a certified GMC dealer.
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yes done by a certified GM dealer
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I would be back on the dealers door step letting them get it right.
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I would be back on the dealers door step letting them get it right.
What 44thSKY said above. The recall has a 12 month warranty on it, take it back and have it done correctly. (Perhaps take it to a different "certified" GM dealer, I never knew GM dealers were "certified".)



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Finally followed up with the recall on the passenger restraint system in May. Barely anyone rides with me. Now the passenger airbag light will not light and the seatbelt on the display will not go off. Looked for disconnections, everything connected around seat. Seat belt buckled. Any clues out there?
Did the problem exist from the time it left the dealer, or did it start later?
There are two airbag lights, one for ON and one for OFF. Do either of them work? What about when you power on the car?
What happens when you unlatch the seatbelt?
Do you have a SERVICE AIRBAG message in the DIC or and airbag warning light in the center of the gauge cluster?

There are two connectors associated with the Passenger Presence Sensor. One is on the harness that comes out of the floor, connects to the seat harness, and includes wiring for the seatbelt latch. It lays on the floor and is relatively accessible. The other is clipped to the seat frame and is solely for the PPS. It is only really accessible with the seat unbolted from the floor.

From the description it appears to me that one of the connectors may be disconnected. The airbag on/off lights are controlled directly by the PPS, so if neither is on is likely that a connection is not made. Failure of the PPS has always (to my knowledge) resulted in the airbag OFF light being lit.

If unlatching the seatbelt makes a change it is the second connector, otherwise it could be either.

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JohnWR, I agree with your analysis, probably something unplugged. My SKY had no lights at all on the PPS from the time I bought the car. My local shop did a Tech 2 (I believe) analysis and told me my airbag was working fine that I just needed a new status light indicator strip. Being new to the car, I took their recommendation under advisement at a repair cost quote of $103. Later, I decided I'll forget the lights. There was NOT a DIC error light, so forget it. Later in a different thread a suggestion was made about the lamp strip possibly being unplugged. And, if my memory is even close, I believe it was you that gave me a detailed explanation of how to remove the light status strip. I did that and found the status light connecting wire laying in behind the lamp UNPLUGGED. I plugged it in and the status lamps still work A-OK today. I've called for an appointment at a dealership on the RECALL, but for whatever reason haven't heard back so will have to follow-up this Fall. Thanks John (and kudos to this forum)
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My thoughts: why not just short the pps to make sure the airbag is always active?
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My thoughts: why not just short the pps to make sure the airbag is always active?
Because it is much, much more complicated than that. The PPS actually communicates on the GMLAN, for what it's worth.



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But the 'butt sensor' is of on/off type or?
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But the 'butt sensor' is of on/off type or?
You have much reading to do, so get started.



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Yes, sigh. I guess you are right... Just checked with my local dealer and apparently my car is not affected of that recall. Opel GT 2007
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Yes, sigh. I guess you are right... Just checked with my local dealer and apparently my car is not affected of that recall. Opel GT 2007
OK, if Opel had still been a GM brand when the recall was announced, it most likely would have been included in the recall, however, since Opel is now owned by Groupe PSA, it isn't included in the recall. Yet you have the same PPS as the rest of the Kappas, which have been recalled.

It appears there is an Irish company that is making a bypass switch that works: https://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/2152541-post11.html AIRBAG360

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Thanks,
I found the emulator here: https://airbag360.com/opel-gt-passen...ator-587-p.asp

Very good to have the day that the PPS dies, no reason to do anything before that. :-)

I guess it is like you say, the recall is not active on the Opel yet. I contacted the reseller and they could see on my registration that the keys and ignition lock should be changed so I will do that anyway, who knows the PPS recall might show up here in Europe too in the future.

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OK, if Opel had still been a GM brand when the recall was announced, it most likely would have been included in the recall, however, since Opel is now owned by Groupe PSA, it isn't included in the recall. Yet you have the same PPS as the rest of the Kappas, which have been recalled.

It appears there is an Irish company that is making a bypass switch that works: https://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/2152541-post11.html AIRBAG360

Good luck!



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