Good news! Bad news!
Looked at an '08 Solstice GXP today, for several hours actually. In NH. List price was 9998 (don't ask me where that figure comes from, seems goofy figures are the norm) at a dealer. Major car maker but a small dealership. Nice enough people, and accommodating as well. I like them actually.
Car is Sly, new rubber. Looked pretty decent indeed. Interior was good, on the border to very good. Driver's door arm rest was a bit screwy, slight cut in the upholstery behind the shifter. Door panels a little bit scuffed, somehow the driver's interior door latch was gouged in three places. A pair of pliers? Smells like a quick fix was done. No big overall; it's a door.
Exterior was dirty. And they knew I was coming to look. No bueno. I looked under the car. Both fenders mashed flat underneath from the middle to the rear edge. No bueno. Driver's side rocker paint at the leading edge was cracked as a result, and has active rust under the crack. No bueno. I can fix all of that, as I could with the odd bubbling of paint under the hood at a wheel opening, which I actually think my old GXP had in '12. It has the expected road rash on the paint. And scrapes on the lower part of the rocker, driver's side, near the real wheel. Somebody ran something other. No bueno. Wheels are actually pretty good. New rubber. Meaty rubber. Car shows no evidence of use in the snow underneath.
I mentioned the dirt, the crushed fenders and rocker rust right off the bat. And there's a sheet of paper on the dash: "As-is no warranty". No bueno.
I drive the car, with the salesman. He talks about how the guy that traded it in is a friend and known to their dealership (no bueno), he works at another dealership and the car was always kept immaculately (I'm thinking, yes, damaged by shop equipment quite immaculately. What is broken underneath that I can't see). Car drives runs and rides well. Pretty tight. No door latch scritch, which I expected due to the ~30*F temp. Pulling 12 psi boost max though. Altitude maybe? We were up pretty high for New England, but only 640 feet. Cold day. Should be more than 12 psi in my opinion. My old GXP made 15-16 all day any day in central MA before the GMPP upgrade, and this car did not have the GM upgrade sensors or underhood sticker. Salesman did not know if it had been getting regular or premium fuel. They have had the car 104 days, so I expect it got gassed up with the cheapest gas available.
We drive back and start to talk. I have the money to buy the car on the spot plus extra in case I wanted to get warranty etc, on me. Real money, not plastic or a check. On me in pocket. I mention this. I list the pros and cons of the car and honestly, it has lots of pros. Cons are relatively few but maybe pricey. So I ask about the warranty. A warranty through the car manufacturer can be had. Good. We hash out a 3 year 48k mile warranty for 2900. Pretty much what I expected. I have them wash the car so I can actually gauge the paint condition. Pretty good actually. So we talk price: me, salesman, finance /warranty guy (I'm not financing but he figures out warranty price). Nice guys, no problems with them.
I tell them I can give them their list price of 9998, if the 3/48 warranty is part of the sale at list price. I'm thinking:
So 9998 minus new fenders, paint, install plus my time and hassle of having to fix a car's body that should not be damaged for the price that is being asked. This is a must for me since it is actually body damage, same to me as a dented rear quarter is body damage. This isn't a scratch in the paint and this is not a project car. The fenders have a slight bow in the bottom of them if you look at the car from 10 feet away. Both sides need to be done. I put a 1500 dollar figure on that. Sure it can be done for less. The place I want to have do it will do it 100% right the first time with no issues, guaranteed in writing. So to me that's 1500 to remove that body damage, in other words, to make the car cease to have that damage. With the rocker I put a 500 dollar price on it, same reasoning. That brings me to 7998. This will remove the body damage from the vehicle. Because I'm not buying a vehicle where I'm paying out of pocket to fix the body so that it is in good condition. This is not a project car.
Add the 2900 warranty to 7998 and it is $10,898. My offer was 9998, the list price.
I feel this is a strong base to negotiate on. They'll say 12, I'll say 11 and we'll settle on 11.5K for the shooting match is what I'm figuring.
Instead I hear: "I can sell that car in the spring all day at the asking price. I can do a couple hundred bucks but not what you're asking".
"Okay. Sorry to waste your time, goodbye". And I shake hands and split.
Which is a shame. I feel my instincts are pretty spot on here. Maybe they'll call me back. I'll keep an eye on the listing. The car had an old price tag of $11900 in it so I know they are coming down as the car sits. Will they let it sit for 6 months? Who knows. Maybe somebody will by it for their price. Just not me!
Driving and working on a Sly 2008 Solstice GXP 5spd 260/260, and the worst-built 2012 LS3 Camaro 1SS to escape from Oshawa.
Gone but not forgotten:
2007 Solstice GXP 5 speed 290/340
Stored and needing to part ways with a 1970 Skylark Custom convertible I have owned since 1989 and turned into a GS455 clone. 462 with 7/8 primary headers, adjustable roller rockers, TA Performance Stage 1 aluminum heads, auto, Chevy 12 bolt, 3.31:1. Sadly a project car now but a driver from '89 to '06.
Last edited by ChrisBlair; 01-19-2019 at 05:09 PM.