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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 02-19-2018, 09:46 PM Thread Starter
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Will there be a NASSAM 2019?

After a couple of aborted concepts several months ago, it still appears that no one has stepped up to run 2019. Having run one of the these, trust me you want as much lead time as possible. Is NASSAM 2018 - Colorado going to be the last one? Please...someone take the reigns!!!

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I have been hoping that someone would get inspired, but we are putting the plan together for a repeat in Lexington in case no one does.
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I think you guys need to do it in KY. I was hoping to see it move around but I guess the west coasters are too busy. Thanks for being willing to undertake it again so soon!

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I was hoping to see it move around but I guess the west coasters are too busy.
A lot of organizers have found that, in general, there is a lot better response to national events in the eastern half of the country.
If it is in Lexington, I'll probably be there.

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Rotating around the country is a great way to have the Nationals. Unfortunately we don't have a lot of groups that are willing to host a national that have not already hosted one.

Ours in Colorado this year is the second we have hosted. It does get easier with practice, but its a lot of work.

If you start holding the event on one coast only then it is no longer a National because half the country will not be able to show up. Alternating east and west is a good model. Keeps them close to everyone on a regular schedule and does not exclude any one region.

It will be interesting to see what happens in 2020. We might do a regional. Western Colorado would give access to the Ouray region, Moab and Black Canyon of the Gunnison. Lots of great drives there. We will see how people feel after this year.

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I think you can count SoCal out. We have a pretty active club, San Diego Roadsters, but very little interest in going east or hosting a National. We talked about a regional, which would be easier to promote to local business, but really no interest. No volunteers so to speak.

John if, you and Glen decided to do it again, I will make it back there.
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I would not like to see the event not happen next year.

Much of California is focused firmly on their own navel. I lived there twice and moved to Colorado as a result. We have plenty to do here but have actual weather and we don't have to worry about the ground dropping into the sea.

My experience has been if you don't have a core group of people who organize and keep the club active and interesting then they go away. Many of the highly active clubs from five years ago are now moribund.

My belief is that as the cars and their owners age, we lack the energy and excitement necessary to motivate clubs to host an event. Too bad but its natural.

We may regain some level of excitement and commitment as the cars continue to age and owners become more collector car focused.
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I have to admit I fit into the aging part. But have always traveled across the country to participate in things of interest. Have been to all 11 FJ Nationals, 8 or 9 Crown Victoria Nationals, motocross do not even want to count the Nationals and Supercross trips.

We have a pretty active club, they make a run nearly every month, but we are spoiled with the weather, although I am looking out the window at a couple of inches of snow as we speak. Came home in near blizzard conditions last night on 243. Most likely got a foot of snow above the 4000 foot area. Fortunately it will be gone soon. So maybe as the climate changes some of us will get the itch to move inland. I have been watching the Ouary/Delores area weather. Very similar to what we have been having in the mountains.

I am hoping the Colorado event sparks interest again. Overall it seems down, and the fact that the next one you are basically on your own, seems to me to hurt the volunteer effort. I mentioned the National in Colorado, and was asked by several of our members why would you want to go to that? Too far, too many miles to drive were always the comment. I guess because we spend so much time in our cars (daily driving) most really don't want to spend their vacation in them. I spent 40 minutes going 3 miles yesterday, and then sat at the exit for another 20 minutes waiting for the intersection to clear. Absolutely crap city planning. They want the taxes but don't build the infra structure to support the people. Off the soap box.

I hope it can carry on, but I have concerns after 2019. Again thanks JohnWR for taking this on.
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Good points.

I did not have a sense of highly motivated people in CALI when I lived there. Maybe life is too easy. LOL

We basically don't drive our cars here from October through April. Our first garage day is schedule for mid-late April and we generally start the season at Moab at the spring fling car show. Our last major event is usually the September Gunnison Car show extravaganza.

And with rare exception, we all have daily drivers that are NOT a kappa. So the Kappa's are babied and taken care of very well. Driving them is still a relatively rare and fun experience to be savored.

Unfortunately people who are not into the whole Kappa community don't see, old and new, at the annual gathering. We have some roads that make the Palomar road look like the kids trail. Mostly because they start at 6000 feet and go up and up. And up.

Looking forward to dragging your tired old butt around the mountains for a week.
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..........I hope it can carry on, but I have concerns after 2019. Again thanks JohnWR for taking this on.
As long as I am around there will be an NASSAM, even if I am the only one here after everyone else gets tired of coming to Lexington.
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[QUOTE=rob the elder;209589Alternating east and west is a good model. Keeps them close to everyone on a regular schedule and does not exclude any one region.[/QUOTE]

Speaking for myself, I have to disagree because east or west coast if too far for me to drive living in Michigan. If memory serves right, when the Nationals were held in Ohio it was very well attended. Unfortunately, there isn't enough interest from anyone around here to suggest holding it in the middle of the country.

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As long as I am around there will be an NASSAM, even if I am the only one here after everyone else gets tired of coming to Lexington.
Sign me up for 2019!
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Speaking for myself, I have to disagree because east or west coast if too far for me to drive living in Michigan. If memory serves right, when the Nationals were held in Ohio it was very well attended. Unfortunately, there isn't enough interest from anyone around here to suggest holding it in the middle of the country.
"East and West" does not refer to the coasts, but to the general geographic area. Canton was considered East, as were Asheville and Lexington, and none of those are particularly coastal.

Canton was the best-attended Annual Meet, partly due to geography and partly due to timing, as 2010 was arguably the peak of Kappa popularity.

What do you consider a driveable distance? I don't know where you are, but Lexington is 5-1/2 hours from Detroit, and within "a day's drive" of something like 60% of the population of North America.

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Speaking for myself, I have to disagree because east or west coast if too far for me to drive living in Michigan.
I'd still like to see a rotation of east, west, central. That splits the work up and really makes it accessible to everyone at least every three years. But then what do I know. I just bought my car last year and have never been to a national.

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Two years ago the GTOAA Nationals was held in Bellevue, a suburb of Seattle. If memory serves it was only the second time it had ever been held west of the Mississippi.

The local GTO club worked their collective butts off to find a venue, organize the main event, setup side events (including a post-show Alaskan cruise, and (most importantly) to get as many local Pontiac owners there as possible.

They even came to Jet City Fieros meetings twice to invite us. It was a steep show for a Fiero owner- $100 for the first car. We started with almost no interest, and ended up putting 13 cars in the show. This would not have happened if they hadn't been so inclusive and worked so hard at it.

My understanding is that it was the best attended GTOAA Nationals show in many years- over 500 cars. The concours section was mind-blowing. One attendee who drove from the east coast stopped at a Pontiac museum and picked up an old Pontiac inflatable balloon that was displayed There was also a ton of vintage signage.

Putting on a show like this is a huge amount of work. Much of which, if things go well, is never noticed. No matter how great and full of possibility a venue/location is for a national event, it will suck if the locals aren't enthusiastically signed up to put it on.

Seattle/Portland and NorCal would be fun locations with lots to do- great roads, tracks available for autocross, go-karts, amazing scenery, etc. But absent a well-organized, energetic group to scheme, organize, evangelize, and breathe life into the event the potential and need to have it at a specific location or region isn't relevant.
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