All season gives me all the perfomance I need. I stopped driving at the ragged edge of control a long time ago. I suspect that all season tires satisfy the needs of 75% of the drivers here.
Sorry, have to disagree with you here. i think it is more like 90%. Unless you take ego into consideration and then it might be only 50%.
This is not directed at you; your reply is just the most succinct one, so I don't have to quote multiple people.
Yeah, that multi-quote feature is way too complicated. Don't really know why.
It's a funny thing, this internet. We are turning the arena of the subject itself into one of subjectivity rather than objectivity when we turn from specialization to all-around capability based on an outside influence; we involve a variable.
Are we talking about tire capability or driver capability, and does a "great for 75%" answer actually make that tire better than one which is designed to be "better" for more than that 75%?
For my part, and I assume CycleCat's as well, the reference is to tire capability and whether there is an actual "need" for it, regardless of driver ability. I think that our comments are based on the opinion that while the UHP summer tire does give measurably better performance the majority of drivers will never require it.
It seems to me we are discussing tires, and the potential of the tire is not determined by the potential of the driver. And if we actually want to discuss the merits of a 'all season performance' vs 'performance' tires vis a vis driver ability we should be able to do better but it will require looking at numbers and presenting them meaningfully rather than leaving it at "you don't need it becasue I or he or she or we say so".
Starting at the end, you are confusing "don't need' with "shouldn't buy", and no one is saying that you shouldn't put whatever tires you want on your car. In my (our ?) opinion you do not "need" them to drive the speeds you are going to drive on the roads you are going to drive on. You may want them because you like the way they make the car feel, and they may actually improve your perception of the car's handling, and that is a perfectly valid reason to buy them. Actually, any reason that you have for wanting them is a perfectly valid reason for buying them, but it doesn't mean you need them.
You are correct that the potential of the tire is not dependent on the potential of the driver, but that isn't the point. In fact, driver ability really doesn't factor into the equation at all. It is not what you as a driver is capable of doing that should drive tire selection it is what you are planning to do, or are actually going to do, that matters. If you are going to go out and drive your car at the very limit of its and your ability then you need the best possible tire for the conditions you are going to be driving in. If you are going to go out and drive hard but within the limits of reasonable lawlessness, then you probably don't.