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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 04-09-2019, 01:31 AM Thread Starter
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Backup lights removed. Secondary brake lights installed!

Hello all,

The purpose of this post is two fold. 1. The obvious, want to brag a little and show off my creation. 2. Version 2 now in the works.

So with all the rear end collisions with our Solstice, and too many people talking about the person that hit them never saw them (because we are so low to the ground), I wanted to do more than just upgrade and mod the third brake light. So, I decided upon relocating the back-up lights to a hidden location, and re-using those openings as a place for the secondary brake lights. I was absolutely certain of what I was looking for to some degree, meaning, I am 100% going for the modern ambulance/fire truck look of the very quick double flash followed by a solid light. I absolutely do not want to alter the rear bumper. I love the stock look, i just want to enhance it. As for the design and look of the lights when not in use is wide open. For this version, I went simple and cost effective using red halos, but I am wide open to design ideas and welcome them for version two. Here's what I built.

1. GMC Terrain fog lights from amazon was the starting point. I removed everything and only used the housing. Since my baby is named "No Gray Area" I wanted the lights to be black and white, so I settled on "white when off" red halos in 100mm 80mm and 60mm sizes. I decided on a conical shape inside the housing, and thats exactly what I did. I flattened out the inside back of the housing. Then I mounted the 100mm halo against the lense, the 60mm at the back of the housing, then installed three hidden studs and made the 80mm "float" in between the two. After a lot of research I found the United Pacific Industries 90665 fully adjustable for speed and duration of flashing. I put it all together and Version 1 is complete.

2. Version 1 complete, and i like them a lot. But they are exactly that, Version 1, and not bring enough, nor am I completely sold on the design. Any and all input is welcome......and go!

Here is a link to a video showing the lights in action. Additionally, I will post some pictures.

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Interesting. Nice work

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I was never aware of this problem but that being said where are your back up lights now located ?
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love it! Changed my factory backup lights to the envoy lamps a while back and love the look. Didn't have the expertise to do all you did. Great job.

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FYI. If you want to keep a passive reflector just to be legal, you can do as I did in the attached photo. bought two reflex reflectors which fit a GMC Acadia, (about $15.00 ea.) ground off the black plastic backing, rounded off and polished one corner, and it snapped right inside the taillamp assy. No glueing or fastening necessary. As on cars which have the passive reflector built in the taillight assembly, the stoplight shines right through the reflector when you remove the backing and it still acts as a passive reflector when the stop light is off.

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I'll buy your version 1 😁
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They look pretty nice but like Sting I'm wondering where your backup lights are. You could probably just put something in the center of the lights you created right? Curious to see what you come up with for version two.
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My backup camera has built in LED's.
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........So, I decided upon relocating the back-up lights to a hidden location, .......
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My backup camera has built in LED's.
Hidden backup lights, or LEDs in a backup camera, will help you see but won't do anything to alert those around you that you are backing up. Aren't you worried about problems that could cause? I know that I have seen someone's backup lights come on and been able to avoid a collision.

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My backup camera has built in LED's.
Hidden backup lights, or LEDs in a backup camera, will help you see but won't do anything to alert those around you that you are backing up. Aren't you worried about problems that could cause? I know that I have seen someone's backup lights come on and been able to avoid a collision.
I still have my normal reverse lights....they're just spray tinted black - s LOT of light still come through. I completely understand where you're coming from though. In the 14 months I've owned my GXP I've driven twice after dark. Backup lights can certainly alert others of your intentions, however I think careful driving is more important. I don't simply put the car in reverse and blindly hit the gas. I'm already a defensive driver but knowing that our cars are so easily totalled by insurance companies makes me borderline paranoid while driving!!
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Sorry yaíll for the lack of answers...work....busy....blah blah blah.

For hiding the back up lights, I actually got a pair of Zmoon LED Light Bars. They each have 6 LEDs in them and are fairly bright (I donít own a Lux meter). I also have a back-up camera installed with I/R cut, so I cheat a little too. I hid them down underneath the back bumper so that they arenít visible unless someone is looking at is from a low angle, but also pointed outward a few degrees because if I am backing up, my camera gets the middle, I only need help in the side view mirrors. Of course wired them up to the back up light wires. The light housings are each 7Ē long x 2Ē deep x 2Ē tall (all approximate). I think I have a pic of one of the lights before install. I will try to take a pic of them installed this weekend.
*I did consider and look for a white light to put in the center of the cones to use as backup lights, I just never found anything with the constraint of circular and no larger than 40mm diameter (i didnít want to throw off the spacing of 100, 80, 60). Version 2 may have this incorporated as I think I have found some square lights that might fit the bill.

Is version 1 available for purchase when version 2 is done? Before the answer, let me say if version 2 goes well, Iíll likely be more inclined to make someone a set of those rather than sell these. Had I bought these from anyone, I would be unhappy about the light out and no way to fix it. Now, if someone insists after hearing about the issues these posses, we can cross that bridge then.
1. These require a lot of cutting the backing area out of the bumper where the back up lights were mounted, however, they use the mounting locations of the factory back-up lights and everything cut out is hidden by factory lights as well as these lights.
2. These are sealed, and opening them would be a nightmare. As long as the LEDs hold up for 30,000 hours, it likely wonít be a problem, however, they are cheap LEDs and I wouldnít trust them without a way to open them (major oversight on my part). Also, see #3.
3. The light on the passenger side has the 60mm light not working. I was doing a final lense polish before install and the buffer grabbed an edge and slung the whole unit out of my hand. So with no real way to open them, one light is already out.
4. Because they are plastic and I put one of them in a clamp early on while using fiberglass and fiberglass resin, I distorted the shape a little bit. Without weatherstripping, there would be daylight showing through. Needless to say they have black weather stripping around the outside to help fill up the hole.
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