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post #1 of 43 (permalink) Old 01-05-2018, 08:47 AM Thread Starter
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Asin AR5 to Tremec Magnum TR-6060 swap

Well I am Finally able to afford the Transmission I spoke to my Local Tremec Dealer and they will throw in a stock F-Body Shifter & a new GM 98-02 Camaro Bellhousing if I pay cash and Pick it up from there shop to save them shipping it to my door. The should have the model with the 0.50 OD I want by the middle of next week so this weekend I will start the tear down and removal of the stock Asin AR5 with the bad Syncro's from my 2006 Mallet LS2 Solstice. Sorry no pictures yet, all I have done is start soaking down the bolts I need to remove with PB Blaster & hoping for a little warmer weather than todays 8F in the Detroit area.
No Pictures yet but I will Document all the steps I do starting with Tomorrows Exhaust, stock backbone brace, & drive shaft removal.

The issue I see before starting the work are

(1) Shifter Location - I have measured out as best I can from under the car and it looks like the Standard Firebird/Camaro location is within 1/2" of the stock Solstice 5-speed Shifter but I won't really know until I get both transmissions on the floor side by side.

(2) Clutch - It looks Like I should be able to reuse the LUK Gold Clutch disc and pressure plate that Mallet Installed both are 26 Spline - But condition will be the determining factor, the car has 24,000 miles on it 18,000 before I purchased it. I haven't experienced any clutch related issues but I will disassemble it and make the decision then. I will have to order a new Throw out Bearing but that will just be a standard LS1 F-body part.

(3) Trans Mount - Performance Autowerks agreed to build me one of there crossmembers they use in there conversions, I may have to modify it but I have it in hand

(4) Drive Shaft - I will have to shorten or have a new drive shaft made

I will also replace the stock Back Bone Brace with a DDM 3/8" one,

The Fun begins soon.

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Why do you want the .50 OD ratio?

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I think you will find the 6060 to be a much nicer transmission. The last couple V8 swaps we did, we used that transmission and it was nice and smooth and much nicer than the T56. The 6060 also has the seperate mount for the shifter that kinda floats compared to the T56 and AR5, so it allows a little more flexibility when mounting it up. We did have to typically shorten the control arm for the shifter on our V8 swaps and reweld it back up, not a big deal though. Otherwise, it sounds like you are on the right track with everything, good luck!

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Why do you want the .50 OD ratio?
Maybe he wants to cruise on the highway below idle rpm

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Why do you want the .50 OD ratio?
With my cars 3.93 rear axle I am looking to lower the highway cruising rpm below what I have now, at 75-80mph I now turn over 3600 rpm, the AR5 has a 0.73 ratio in 5th, my options with the 6060 are 0.74 & 0.50 5th & 6th, or 0.80 & 0.63. So the other option (0.63) will only lower my 6th gear cruising RPM around 300rpm, and the 0.50's 5th gear is almost identical to the AR5's 5th gear ratio so the car will drive the same in 5th gear.
I plan on using the car to drive to Kappa events around the country as we enjoyed the trip to Kentucky last year. The only down side of traveling with the Kappa caravan was our 19mpg cruising range, we had to stop for fuel a lot sooner than the rest of the cars in the group. with the higher OD ratio I hope to get at least 23mpg cruising on the highway, that small increase should enable us to make it to all the planned fuel stops along the way.

While I would prefer the other 6060's 1st gear ratio of 2.66 over the one I purchased 2.97, but even the 2.97 is an improvement over the AR5's 3.75 1st gear ratio. So 1st gear will be more useable in my car. With the LS2 low end torque is not an issue, I have been known shift the car into 5th on state highways at 60mph and not downshift when having to slow down to say 45mph, the engine does not complain when I speed back up in 5th gear.

Well back to the work, I don't know if I will get much done today it was only 8F out in the garage an hour ago, but I did spray the bolts down again and get a few "pre" conversion pictures. My car will differ from most due to the duel exhaust, the plan for this weekend is to remove the exhaust at the manifolds, and the intermediate clamps, unplug the O2 sensors and just get the front 1/2 out of the way. Then remove the stock backbone brace, and driveshaft. If that gets done I will remove the shifter and start to loosen the transmission bolts. I will also drain the Trans Oil. But all that may have to wait until the temps raise alittle next week.

You can see that I have the car parked over my pit. I may make it over to my buddies house to borrow his trans jack, or just break down and buy a cheap harbor freight trans jack.




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Thanks - that sounds reasonable as you have enough power to pull the .50 ratio for cruising. Wish they had ratios closer to 1.0 on 5th and 0.63 on top, but....

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I have a 3.73, but 6th is still a passing gear in my T-56 equipped Mallett. I'd love to have a 0.50 6th. My mileage isn't nearly as bad as Cammerjeff's, but it could definitely be better!

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Ok small update, after trying to beg or borrow a Tall Transmission Jack to no avail, I ordered one from Grainger and it should be available for pick up Monday 1-11-18. I ordered the DDM backbone Brace, I didn't order the bundle as I can't install the front Venom Brace on my car with the V8. So I may order the rear brace later but for no with no price brake I am conserving some $$$. The Transmission still was not available as of yesterday 1-9-18. So I ordered the new Throw out bearing and slave cylinder a LUK unit for a 1998-2002 T/A. And just so every one knows I have chocked the car over the Pit

I drained the trans Oil by removing the 25mm fill and drain plugs, disconnected the two O2 sensors, and removed the exhaust systems center band clamps. I could not get the manifold bolts to break loose by hand so I applied more penetrating oil, and will bring my impact home from work and apply some heat the next time I get under the car. Here is my new Royal Purple oil draining out of the trans, I replaced the stock oil this summer in a attempt to help the shifting issues I was having with the AR5, while it did make the part throttle shifts somewhat smoother, it did not help the Syncro Issue.



Baby steps, this week is our Greyhounds Chemo week, so I don't know how much time I will have. At least it is warm enough to be working on it, so Hopefully I will get some work done this week & Saturday, Sunday I have to work so no work on the project then.

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Well I took advantage of the 53F temps here yesterday and removed the interior Boomerang Panel & Shifter.


I also found the 1st non metric fastener I have found on the car, the set screw that holds the shifter handle to the AR5

I also ran the engine for 15 minutes to heat up the exhaust manifolds to help get the manifold to exhaust flange bolts loose, the passenger side came out easily, and the inside bolt on the drivers side came off easy as well, but the outside bolt on the drivers side was blocked by the steering shaft, I did not look closely at the hardware as I spent time disconnecting the steering shaft and moving it out of the way before I noticed Mallet had put the bolt on from the top and welded a nut to the bottom of the flange. I didn't need to disconnect the steering shaft, I just had to remove the bolt from the top, Duh!!!!!
I will have to remove the entire exhaust system due to not enough clearance to drop the forward section alone. The transmission is ready to pick up today, the slave cylinder & DDM backbone Brace arrived yesterday, the trans Jack should arrive early next week, so I should have the trans out and can compare the 2 transmissions side by side this weekend before I have to got out of town for a week next Sunday.
I also ordered 2 new Exhaust flange gaskets, and some high temp copper anti-seize to put the exhaust system back on.

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This may be a dumb question, but why don't you switch the drive axle to one from a Cadillac CTS-V? They used the same one, except for the gear ratio so it should be a direct bolt-in, assuming the same revision of case design.

The ratios available are: 2.73, 3.23, 3.42, as opposed to the 3.73, and 3.91 in the Kappas, so you should be able to find something that works. The taller rations are stronger even.

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This may be a dumb question, but why don't you switch the drive axle to one from a Cadillac CTS-V? They used the same one, except for the gear ratio so it should be a direct bolt-in, assuming the same revision of case design.

The ratios available are: 2.73, 3.23, 3.42, as opposed to the 3.73, and 3.91 in the Kappas, so you should be able to find something that works. The taller rations are stronger even.
The Syncro's are bad in the AR5, so the trans needed to be changed & upgraded to handle the LS2's Torque. If the trans was OK I would have gone with the rear axle swap. I had discussed this in an earlier thread, but I apparently did not mention it in the 1st post of this thread, so no not a dumb question at all.

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Well the transmission showed up today, along with the 1998-2002 F-body bell housing, & drive shaft yoke to match the Tremec output shaft.



Saturday I managed to get most of the exhaust system off, remove the stock back bone brace, and found a sticker showing what tech at Mallet worked on the car, the S/N & Partial VIN.



I also noticed the Mallet Logo, and Cars Mallet S/N on the transmission adaptor plate.


I started to remove the drive shaft, but soon realized that I have to raise the rear suspension of the car, and probably tilt the front of the axle to remove the drive shaft. That will have to happen later this week. I just received notice that my transmission jack is ready to pick up at Grainger while I was typing this so I may have the trans out before I have to go to TN on Sunday

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I started to remove the drive shaft, but soon realized that I have to raise the rear suspension of the car, and probably tilt the front of the axle to remove the drive shaft. That will have to happen later this week. I just received notice that my transmission jack is ready to pick up at Grainger while I was typing this so I may have the trans out before I have to go to TN on Sunday

I know the 4 cyl you must do this. I was going to have a co-worker do my clutch last spring and we looked at the shop manual. He was game for it till he saw that the rear axle had to be loosened and either removed or tilted to get the driveshaft out. That was game over at that point...LOL. I can't believe that the synchros went bad already. The PO must have been very hard on the car?

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There are several reports of the stock transmission failing at 400 hp.

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There are several reports of the stock transmission failing at 400 hp.
Do you know of any details as to the root cause and what failed? Manual AR5 trans right? If there are any details on AR5 failures, it's buried in google.

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