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post #31 of 43 (permalink) Old 03-19-2018, 08:35 PM
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You got the remote reservoir shocks, but not the T-56 to start with?

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post #32 of 43 (permalink) Old 03-20-2018, 04:13 AM Thread Starter
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I'm the 3rd owner of the car, you would have to make that point to the original owner in Texas. But I kinda shook my head at that also when I saw the shocks on the car. I didn't know they were on the car until after I got it home, The 2nd owner did not have the paper work from Mallet. The 1st owner was kind enough to send me the invoice, but didn't want to talk about the car.

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Another thing I did not consider, the Tremec 6060 (and T-56's) have a reverse Lockout Solenoid to keep the driver from shifting into reverse when attempting to shift into 5th gear. The 6060 has a fully synchronized reverse gear, so you can force it into reverse at speed. I can Purchase a Kit for around $100 to hook it up. Or not hook it up, as I have been told most drivers in retro fit applications do not have an issue pushing past the detent spring to engage reverse when needed. Andy Opinions? It would be easier to install in now then retro fit it later.
I have that same transmission bolted behind an aluminum 5.3 in my '82 S10 truck, though I'm not yet done with the swap (plumbing, wiring are the biggest things left to do). I think what I'll do is wire the lockout solenoid to the brake light. I'll almost certainly have my foot on the brake when shifting into reverse, and I probably won't be applying the brake while accidentally trying to shift into reverse at speed. I suppose you could be hitting the brake while downshifting to 5th, and possibly go into reverse, but getting more complex than that would require something to know that you're stopped (either something tapping into the vehicle speed sensor, PCM, BCM, or something sitting on the GMLAN or CAN bus to know you're stopped).

Or just get a shift knob with a push button on it. The reverse lockout on my '17 WRX is a collar on the shifter you raise.

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Jay, thanks for the input, I did purchase the lock out control kit for $95 as I was concerned with the short length of the shifter needed for this car. You may not even need to control the solenoid as the shift lever for you S-10 will probably be at least 12 or more inches. I recently had a chance to drive a 66 Lemans with a 6060 installed in it, and the owner did not bother hooking up the solenoid. It was no problem shifting it into reverse, but with the 14" shift lever it was easy to push past the spring pressure of the solenoid. But my wife sometimes drives my car and I think it is easier to spend the $$ and not have to hear how difficult it is for her to get the car into reverse!
But you idea of just hooking into the brake light circuit is interesting. As long as it does not dim the brake lights it should work fine.

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Small update, I plan on reusing the original shifter Boot & ring, As I have no use for the original shifter I did not mind destroying the knob to remove & hopefully reusing the boot. and today I removed the boot by the following steps.

(1) removing the shift pattern emblem by gently prying the plastic emblem edge & removing the emblem
(2) cutting the knob outer cover along the seams and removing the outer cover.
(3) Cutting the inner plastic knob off the shaft buy cutting it vertically along one of the ribs and them peeling it off the inner metal detail.
(4) cutting the tie wrap off the upper edge of the boot that secures it to the shaft. Then lower the boot a few mm's to make room to cut off the upper section of the shaft.
(5) cut the upper detail off the shaft. I used a vertical band saw
(6) remove the boot off the top of the shifter.
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I was finally able to get back to the trans swap. Issue preventing work were mostly work related, I was sent out of the country for an extended period and just got back 2 weeks ago. But before that with all the heavy rain we had this spring my Pit flooded, it has never happened before I had about 3 feet of water at the bottom of it.
Well I finally got the last 2 trans to bellhousing installed and torqued, the new drive shaft installed, the trans crossmember bolted up (it will work for now but will need to be modified this winter) The DDM back bone brace installed. The new shifter and knob installed, and the front Coil Overs back on. The new set of Pilot Sport 4's bolted up, and the trans filled with 3.5 qts of fluid. Made a lot of progress over the last 2 days. Here are a few pictures.
The shift Knob is from a 2006 CTSV, I was going for as stock as possible look and think this works, even if it was spendy, I must be getting old as I can not believe it has taken almost to August to get this far.
Now to hook up the exhaust, sensors and Battery and see how it works!!!!
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Success! And Almost everything works! Just the back up lights are inop, will have to live with that until I put it away for the winter, along with final modifications to the trans Crossmember, Besides adding 8mm spacers to the top, and enlarging the cutout for the trans mount, I did not take into account that the front 2 bolts of the Backbone Brace bolt to the Crossmember, I will have to fix that also.

But hooked up the exhaust, wired up the last few sensors, rechecked everything and took it for a drive. I really missed driving it!

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Well things went south in the trans yesterday, put almost 300 miles on it just to verify everything was OK before taking it to this Weekends Pontiac Nationals in Norwalk Ohio. While coming off the freeway the trans started making all kinds of horrible noises, call the shop I bought the trans from and they confirmed it was an internal failure after driving it for about a block. They will warranty the trans but I have to bring it to them, Kinda down at the Moment.
I purposely bought a beefed up version of the 6060 that is supposed to be able to handle twice the torque my mostly stock LS2 puts out. I am going to have my favorite trans shop R&R it for me as I don't have much time to enjoy the car this year, and the Pit in my garage is going to be filled in and cemented over in a couple of weeks.
I am beginning to suspect the car does not like me.

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Ugh. Sad to hear. I hope things get better.
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Well at least the repairs will be under warranty if not the removal/replacement. My wife is feeling sorry for me so she is letting me take her G8 GT to the Norwalk Ohio event Saturday so at least I will get a chance to go to the track and see some old friends.

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Wow. Sorry to see this happen to your car.

These things are pretty much a long term development process.

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Things are starting to look better, the trans shop had the 6060 out Monday Morning, and my boss let me take a long lunch to drop it off at the shop I purchased it from, they tore it apart in front of me and the front tapered roller bearing that holds the input shaft had failed. They said it was the 2nd time they have seen this in 8 years of modifying the 6060's.
It was ready to pick up yesterday, so was the driveshaft that I had shortened 1/2" just for my piece of mind, I just did not like how the slip yoke had only 3/8" of available travel. I never heard it bottom out in the few miles I drove the car, but I was a bit nervous about it. I dropped off both parts yesterday, and the welder in our shop will have the trans mount modifications done before lunch, so I may have the car back for the dream cruise Saturday, if not all the precruise festivities going on during the week. Fingers crossed.

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Well Thankfully the trans swap is done, not 100% happy with the end results but it is good enough to drive for a couple of months and enjoy until I have to put the car away this winter. Things left to do.

(1) Find the small rattle that has appeared coming from the trans tunnel at certain rpm's Must be something loose or not positioned correctly allowing it to rattle.
(2) Change the Shift handle - I did not realize that the bellhousing I used actually tilts the trans toward the passenger side of the cat 7 degrees. The short straight shifter I installed has the 1-2 gate straight up and down, with all the others biased towards the passenger side. I am now looking for a tilted handle that I can use that still works with the CTSV know I modified.
(3) Change the location of the passenger side O2 Sensor, it almost contacts the bottom of the Tremec 6060 I am sure if I hit a Michigan speed bump it will bend the O2 Sensor. So I will have to get a new Bung welded on and plug the old one.
(4) Install & wire up the Reverse Lockout Solinoid control box, getting the trans in reverse without it is Possible, but my Wife can not do it. I just did not want to take the time to install and wire it as I really wanted to make the Woodward Dream Cruise with the car. I just made it.

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