Richard, let me know if you get this. For some reason when I saw that I had a PM from you it didn't come up in my PM mailbox, but visitor message? Anyway, I've never attended a Nationals due to the how long of a drive it would take to get there, and then having to go on drives once I'm there, and then turn around and drive back home. Lol, no thanks. So if Bob or Franze ever did show up at a nationals to speak, the nationals would have to be way closer to MI. Take care, Dan