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If you are posting something for sale please post as much information as possible (color, options, price etc.). This will keep the conversation in the thread to a minimum.

Readers, if you have questions of a seller try to send them via private message (PM) if possible.
 

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Only supporting dealers and individuals who own a car may sell in this forum (no 3rd party referrals).

For information on becoming a supporting dealer (or vendor) contact Brentil:

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(send Private Message to Brentil)

Commerical Posting Info ---> Commerical posting link
For Sale Rule Info ---> For sale rules link

Here's the easy way to remember the rule:
If you don't own it or are not a supporting dealer, don't post it.

Here's a small section from the for sales rule:
Private For Sale ads
Individuals may place for sale adds to sell their own vehicles and other items. They may not use the forum to promote sales/services beyond that. Seller must actually posess any items or vehicles they offer for sale. Bulk sale of items is prohibited.
Any questions contact any moderator:
Mod team contact link
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Bumping this post as a reminder of what can and can't be posted in the for sale section.
 

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Just thought it might make sense to post a bit about posting dealership stock for sale, since there seems to be some confusion on the issue, especially with new members signing on.


Alot of members want to 'help' by posting cars that they see available for sale. I'll first clarify the guidelines, and then explain why:

The 'Cars For Sale' Guidelines:

Vehicles are allowed to be posted available for sale subject to two constraints:

1) You actually OWN the vehicle you are posting as available,

or

2) You are a supporting dealer and are therefore allowed to advertise on the site.



Outside of these constraints, posting "XX vehicle available" is simply not allowed.

The 'WHY' behind this:

The short answer is that outside of these constraints, the potential for abuse and misinformation far outweighs the benefits.

Claimed benefit:
"Helps" people get their vehicle if they list "XX vehicle I saw available at MSRP at YYY dealership.

However, after researching this, it turns out that the majority of people looking for a vehicle don't use forums as a way to find vehicles. That's what sites like www.gmbuypower.com and www.autotrader.com are for. Everyone appreciates the thinking that this is 'helping', but it isn't really helping at all. The poster may not know that the vehicle is sold, dealers change their minds and charge MSRP+, etc. A large portion of people who actively look for vehicles have already found them.

People on the forum are quite smart and savvy, and can locate vehicles on their own. I can't count the number of times someone went to a dealer on a tip, only to find out that the tip was wrong.

Downside to allowing it:

First, to reiterate, the site relies on income from supporting vendors who pay for the right to use the site for promotion of products to pay for operation costs. This includes the ability of dealerships to do so for vehicles. Vendors who attempt to advertise products outside of this system are attempting to advertise for free - in essence abusing the community built here just to increase exposure of their product (or vehicle stock).

Posting a vehicle available is just a form of advertisement. In fact, it is unsolicited advertisement. In the internet world, we consider unsolicited or unwanted promotion of products...

...SPAM.

Multiple posts of "Saw this color vehicle for sale" clutters up the forum for no real benefit.

Experience has also shown us that the potential for abuse is high. If it is allowed, then we get dealers who sign on to use the forum as "free advertisement". Sometimes, they are even 'sneaky' about it, all to post a vehicle available and widen the exposure so they can sell it for maximum dollar. This happened with the First 1000 Solstices several times.

Using PM to get around this also carries a high potential for abuse. We had several cases of people (here and other of Troy's forums) attempting to 'hook up' buyers and sellers through PM - and make a birddog fee of a few bucks to $1000... and in the process use the bandwidth and server space that the other supporting vendors are paying for. Clearly, this is not fair to the community, nor is it fair to the supporting vendors on the forum.

Bottom line - this is a forum, not autotrader. So, please don't be upset if you post something available for sale that you don't own - and find it deleted.

I hope this helps clarify a few things.

Thanks.
 
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