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The LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH and PONTIAC SOLSTICE GXP .....

Both have the exact same ZERO ----> SIXTY mph time !!!

Now go out there and thank your GXP for being so wonderful.... and for doing this feat, with 1/3 of the cylinders
 

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Very hard to compare acceleration times over decades. Look at the muscle cars for instance. A Hemi Cuda could manage around a 14.0 1/4 mile. My Solstice can better that by a second or a tad more. But it was the tires. Put one on modern street tires and the numbers change drastically.

Add in the fact that the Countach was geared more for highway use . And that it would do a 1/4 mile in 12.9 and would top out at 185 mph and see how the Solstice comes out. And then put the Countach on modern tires and revise all those numbers.

I had a Lamborghini that was just slightly earlier than the Countach. When I bought it the car had been garaged for several years so I had to do a lot of deferred maintenance on it and put it on new (at that time) Pirelli Z rated tires and the difference was astounding.

PS - I used to take my car to the Italian car shows and park beside a Countach. He told me that the rear tires for his cars, a 345/35ZR15 size, were only made evert few years and in between you were out of luck. Plus they cost $1,000 - each.
 

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and the base is = to???? yugo? :eek: just kidding I know it aint that bad....but should be a lot better.
 

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Actually, there is nothing wrong with the performance of the NA cars. It is a shame that they live in the shadow of the turbo models. If there had never been a GXP, the NA would have happily competed with the Miata as was planned and no one would have commented that they didn't have enough power - neither did the Miata.
 

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I disagree. There is no shame in more horsepower in a GXP model.
And it was definitely in the Pontiac DNA to push out the “worked” sports model upgrade. Isn’t that how John DeLorean brought the brand back from the “old peoples car” the marquee was under back when he was at GM?
(Or did I get that bit of history wrong?)
 

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He said “it’s a shame that they had to live in the shadow of the turbo models”.
I was offering a counterpoint.

this is Pontiac 101 going back to DeLorean.
The only reason DeLorean snuck the first sports Pontiac, the GTO past GM management was by offering a performance package as an option.
It is widely acknowledged that GM would have never let him build the GTO as its own model.

though many decades of water (and management personnel) have passed under that bridge between DeLorean and the time of the Solstice, GM has always shown an unwillingness to let any other marquee “surpass” the performance of the corvette.
Not saying that the Solstice does, just saying it is interesting that similar corporate thinking seems to exist at GM even today.

an interesting short read from 2015 about Pontiac’s Banshee prototype (under DeLorean) and how it so obviously became the Chevy C3 Vette after being stolen from Pontiac…

hence the “no shame in more power” response.
Not intended as antagonistic, just offering a counterpoint.
NA proved the customer interest, GXP was almost preordained after the NA being sold out, it being Pontiac.

 

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look at this...

This is a photo of the seat belts in the Banshee
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and this is an old Cadillac logo

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are all Pontiac's parts bin cars?
 

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1970 Datsun 240z
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1964 Pontiac Banshee
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Think Datsun stole something?
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Everything but the nose is identical in shape. and I mean IDENTICAL!
 

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no those are the same cars. lots of differences. but back to the na...the gxp has nothing to do with the na being a slug.that's all on gm. how much hp does the NA honda s 2000 have ?? Im not bashing,I love my little slug.just wish gm hadn't made it so. but in the same breath,,,the S 2000 is ugly.so.... I wish i still had it in me to tear mine apart and fix it, but I didn't buy this car to do that with.And they didn't make the gxp with this interior.yes I want it all.And desert.
 

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no those are the same cars. lots of differences. but back to the na...the gxp has nothing to do with the na being a slug.that's all on gm. how much hp does the NA honda s 2000 have ?? Im not bashing,I love my little slug.just wish gm hadn't made it so. but in the same breath,,,the S 2000 is ugly.so.... I wish i still had it in me to tear mine apart and fix it, but I didn't buy this car to do that with.And they didn't make the gxp with this interior.yes I want it all.And desert.
You could always buy a GXP and swap the interiors then sell the NA?
Or is there a fitment difference?
Admittedly ignorant on the subject as I have never even got to sit in an NA
 

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Hard to compare with the S2000 - they had the highest specific output per liter ever (until one of the Ferrari engines managed a tad higher). The 2.4 engine is getting just under 75 bhp per liter. The LT1 in the C7 Corvette got abour 1 bhp less per liter than that. Nothing disgraceful there.
 

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Moreso resembles the C3 Corvette imo
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It “is” the C3. Earlier in the post I linked to an article about it. A short and interesting read if you are so inclined…
It appears Pontiac was never going to be allowed to get close to its own sports car if it meant competing with the Chevy Corvette, especially if it came from DeLorean’s team as I believe there was already a lot of friction between Chevy and Pontiac at the upper levels of GM because of DeLorean’s nonconformist attitude in that corporate world.

If you ignore the Fiero as a true sports car (people differ on this apparently) then the Sol / kappa platform was the first (and only) ground up, Pontiac specific sports car. If you count the fiero it is only the second (and last).
 
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