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From: Kat Purr <[email protected]>
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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: Warning, Watch this video about E15 gas




E15 and E85 Gasoline blends are extremely harmful to your car's fuel system don't use it, or it could end up costing you thousands. Many major car manufacturers will not honor warranties if you do!
Watch video about E15 gas if you have a car older than 2012

Warnings Not to Use ?E15? Gas in Your Car | Fox Business Video <http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/>
 

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With the credibility of Fox news, it's hard to take anything they say seriously. :lurk:
 

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While I'd usually agree with sly about fox news, I do agree that anything above e10 really does void a lot of cars warranties and is terrible for seals and rubber engine parts as well as corroding anything metal. I don't understand why they are pushing ethanol so much, less BTU's, less efficient

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why would anyone put E15 or E85 in their car in the first place unless it's a flex fuel vehicle? And if you have the turbo you're looking for the premium/highest octane fuel pump anyway.

The article did mention it was being sold in only like 4 states, and it looks like they are clearly marked at the pump.
 

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The pumps around here say 'may contain 10% or less'
That's common in many states, I believe winter blends especially. But this is what the GXP manual states:

"Gasolines containing oxygenates, such as ethers and
ethanol, and reformulated gasolines might be available in
your area. We recommend that you use these gasolines,
if they comply with the specifications described earlier.
However, E85 (85% ethanol) and other fuels containing
more than 10% ethanol must not be used in vehicles that
were not designed for those fuels.
"
 

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With the credibility of Fox news, it's hard to take anything they say seriously. :lurk:
You are absolutely correct, Fox News is just trying keep the oil companies in business. That is of course, their real agenda.

Start filling up with E15.

Your car will be fine. GM did not appear in the list of auto makers at the beginning of the video who are voiding warranties. So you will not have an issue.
 

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You are absolutely correct, Fox News is just trying keep the oil companies in business. That is of course, their real agenda.

Start filling up with E15.

Your car will be fine. GM did not appear in the list of auto makers at the beginning of the video who are voiding warranties. So you will not have an issue.
You're joking I guess, I'm bad at picking up on that.....

If not, you go ahead, report back in a year or so how things are going, I'll watch and put proper fuel in. :thumbs:
 

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No that can't be the case. Sly Bob has it nailed, he has done his own research into this matter and obviously is very non-partisan with his assessment of the reporting.

So therefore I see no reason why he shouldn't be running E15. :dunno:
 

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Wow. What a muddy-d up issue! Fox is trying to keep oil companies in business, AAA and AOL are trying to keep oil companies in business, the government is trying to keep ArcherDanielMidland in business, and at the end of it all is the consumer, getting all the business in the END.
 

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I really don't care, I was just quoting the manual and personally would not experiment on our car since we plan to keep it a long time. Don't care about oil companies or the price of the super unleaded we put it. It's a dinky tank that I think we put gas in over a month ago, and it still has over half tank. Would just be a shame to go mucking up fuel systems on these nice cars, but again if folks have already been doing this, then I guess we'll just see.
 

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I use to haul fuel last summer to Quick trip on a dedicated account.I learned a few things about fuel,before going back to dry van driving.
All fuel is piped in through the same lines,and split up to different loading racks.
Drivers are sent to load up,and they enter different access codes that recieve the particular blends for each station they drive for.
The probability for contaminated fuel was shocking.If for instance you hauled diesel on your last load,you ran your premium load through those hoses,and tanks on your trailer on the following load.This is how the tank,and hoses get cleaned of diesel.
Each drop spot(premium,regular,mid grade) also has a pull chain that we pull that dumps excess water/trash/cigarette butts from drop spots on top of the gas,when rain fills it.
Drivers are required to apply a paste that detects water,and stick each tank,before dropping fuel.Anything over 3 inches of water was "supposed" to be pumped out.
Cross drops did occour.When a driver hooks up 87 to a 93 grade tank for instance,and starts dumping,thats is whats known as a cross drop.
Tanks are also cleaned twice a year.By cleaned,I mean they are ran almost empty.All water and trash are sitting on the bottom,and we get whatever the tanks filters miss.(Memorial day weekend)
One last one I remembered that disturbed me most..
Example>>You start your 12 hr shift,and the driver before you may have been in a hurry.He fails to completely empty all diesel from last load.Your sent to load up,and dump regular,or premium on top of this,and deliver it to your customer.
Drivers are supposed to check that all compartments are empty,before loading,but when you get paid ( poorly) by the load guys sometimes overlook it.
Saw that one happen^^:lurk:
I also stay faar away from mom and pop stations that sale minimal fuel..
 

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... the consumer, getting all the business in the END.
Don't you mean the customer is getting it in the business end?

Each drop spot(premium,regular,mid grade) also has a pull chain that we pull that dumps excess water/trash/cigarette butts from drop spots on top of the gas,when rain fills it.
I remembered that disturbed me most...
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Like I sed, the Dirty Duck prefers Kum and Go out here in these western parts.:yawn:
 

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Don't you mean the customer is getting it in the business end?

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Like I sed, the Dirty Duck prefers Kum and Go out here in these western parts.:yawn:
I think you mean the middle parts. No such thing in the Pacific and some of the Mountain time zones
 

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Item that popped out to me was the "phase separation" issue.. Since ethanol is heavier than gasoline is there some mechanical device in the flex-fuel vehicles tanks that automatically mixes the alternate fuel before fed into the fuel delivery system?

The gasoline underground storage tanks don't concern me since the report indicated the ethanol is introduced (or mixed) in with gas at the pump. Future issues may be if ethanol is so much more corrosive are underground storage tanks certified, or be engineered to hold ethanol?

Old-timers will remember when non-leaded gasoline was first introduced and reports of piston ring failure began surfacing for some engines, especially higher compression engines to the point where compatible non-lead piston rings replacements started being produced and offered before ring (or cylinder wall damage) could occur.
 
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