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This is from CamaroZ28.com, trying to get as many people as possible involved in this.
"Want to help the Camaro name continue, but don't exactly have it tatooed across your back, and not ready to sprout a Camaro label haircut?? Well here's your chance to let your opinion be known.
Go to http://www.gm.com/gmcomjsp/contactus/email.html and check off the "I am a current owner and have a question, concern or comment" box (it's the very 1st one). Hit "submit" at the bottom of the page, and fill out the information along with your message (limit's about 400 words, so no term papers please).

Request to have your message forwarded to Product Chairman Bob Lutz. Briefly tell what the Camaro name means to you.

DON'T USE PROFANITY, OR THREATS!!!
The idea is to convince, not terrorize.

If you are going to say that you will never buy another GM product (or will refuse to buy a V8 2+2 that isn't called Camaro), be certain to point out that Ford displays respect for historic names like Thunderbird and Mustang, and you would be very dissappointed if GM didn't do the same for Camaro.

This isn't going to work unless there's critical mass behind this, so don't just say you support the idea, just do it!!!

DO NOT send it to anyone's private or GM e-mail address. Not only is it rude & counterproductive (meaning it could backfire something fierce) but if there is a sudden flood of email to GM's consumer relations site (instead of someone's e-mail), not only will it create a buzz throughout, but also word will get up through the chain, and alot will end up read by higher ups.

This is the tactic used to save the Mustang back in the 80s.

Remember, you are advocating the Camaro NAME, so don't sweat them over the car. "


Here is a positive respose a guy from camaroz28.com got:
Dear Mr. Bazar,

Thank you for contacting the Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center. We
appreciate you taking the time to write us in regards to the Camaro.

We apologize for the disappointment expressed in your email and want
you to know that a number of Chevrolet Camaro owners and enthusiasts have
expressed their fondness for this vehicle.

However, on September 25, 2001 General Motors Corporation announced
that 2002 would be the last model year for the Chevrolet Camaro and
Pontiac Firebird. Due to the decrease in demand for the sport segments, this
decision was unavoidable.

Although Camaro and Firebird have always had focused appeal, both Chevy
and Pontiac will continue the tradition of providing performance
vehicles with high value.

GM will continue to support the millions of Camaro and Firebird/Trans
Am owners with replacement parts, reproduction parts, accessories and
technical support through its Service Parts Organization.

In regards to the future, I must say that emails such as yours
definitely help the cause. If the customer demand grows again, it would be
difficult to not bring back the Camaro. So I would recommend having those
you know with similar sentiment voice their opinion as well. Your
email has been documented under file number 1-196632965.

If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this
message or call our Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center at
1-800-222-1020. Customer Relationship Managers are available Monday through Friday
from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., Eastern Time.

Again, thank you for contacting Chevrolet.

Sincerely,

Adam Groat
Customer Relationship Manager
Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center


For more information regarding the maintenance and care of your
vehicle, please visit http://www.chevrolet.com/owners. This free online service
offers vehicle and ownership-related information and tools tailored to your
specific Chevrolet.

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an f-body replacement is no doubt in the works. but, no amount of emailing will get it built. heres the scoop on why:

(quoted from another forum, i dont have this kind of free time. gonna have to 2-part this post.)

I wanted to post a series of items that will explain why GM is not talking about the next Camaro, and why there is a gag order.

Camaro was made by the Canadian Auto Workers Union, Local 1163 in Ste Therese Quebec

I'm dividing this into multipart sections.
I also posted this at CamaroZ28.com


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Edited by - guionM on 03/05/2004 11:24:19 AM

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Posted - 02/28/2004 : 8:43:16 PM
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PART 1

WHAT TAX BREAKS DID GM GET FOR THE STE. THERESE PLANT?


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When the GM plant at Ste Thérèse was threatened with closing, the government of Quebec and the government of Canada made a strategic investment in its future and saved the thousands of jobs that were at stake.
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http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/house_debat...sion2/l091a.htm


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The Ste-Thérese plant is the only auto assembly plant in Quebec. The Quebec government granted GM a $220-million interest free loan to keep the plant open in 1987. The car maker has also benefited from tax breaks estimated at more than $100 million.
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http://www.themilitant.com/1996/6039/6039_4.html


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Retooled to build Camaros and Firebirds in 1987, thanks to an interest-free, 30-year government loan of $200 million,
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http://www.wsws.org/workers/1998/july1998/...8/caw-j24.shtml



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"GM will effectively be telling Quebeckers, 'We're slamming the door,' and this after the hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayers' money that were heartily accepted by the company," he said...
...GM received $220-million in interest-free loans from Ottawa and Quebec in 1987 to keep the plant, just north of Montreal, open. Those loans -- $110-million from each government -- are due in 2017.
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http://www.workopolis.com/servlet/Content/.../20020126/RCAWW

IS THERE SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT REGARDING THE STE THERESE PLANT AND THE LOCAL UNION?


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We are committed to ensuring as smooth a transition as possible for our people. Almost all of the 1100 hourly employees currently on-roll and the 300 hourly employees currently on lay-off at Ste. Thérèse are now eligible for early retirement or will become eligible within the next few years(2005). The GM of Canada benefit packages for hourly and salary employees are extensive, with income continuation for up to 3 years (2005) for affected employees...
...In connection with the closure of the Ste. Thérèse plant, General Motors Corp. will incur a one-time special charge of U.S. $300 million pretax (US$195 after tax)...
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http://email.gmcanada.com/corpdb/cachq/pre...7f?OpenDocument


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Over 90 per cent of the about 1,500 employees involved will be eligible to retire when the plant closes next year or within the next few years (2005), she added...
Mr. Hargrove said the Quebec and federal governments offered aid worth more than $300-million that would have given the auto maker virtually a free plant.

GM has not repaid interest-free loans of $220-million that Ottawa and Quebec provided in 1987. Those loans -- $110-million from each government -- are due in 2017 and won the plant the mandate to produce the Firebird and Camaro...

Heidi Bonnell, a spokeswoman for Industry Minister Brian Tobin, defended the loan as "money well spent, because it will have helped keep the Ste-Thérèse plant open for an extra 15 years -- which assured that 90 per cent of the workers will be eligible for a company pension by the . . . shutdown date."

Quebec Finance Minister Pauline Marois said GM has assured her that it will repay the loan.

"General Motors deserves a medal for keeping that plant open as long as they did," said Dennis DesRosiers, who heads DesRosiers Automotive Consultants Inc., in Richmond Hill, Ont.
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http://www.globeadvisor.com/servlet/Articl...GMGM#end anim

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Part 2

IS THERE SOMETHING GM IS DOING TO SMOOTH THINGS OVER WITH THE CAW AND THE PROVINANCE OF QUEBEC OVER THE STE. THERESE PLANT CLOSING?


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GM Canada has agreed to spend $10-million at Quebec universities and research institutions over the next five years to study lightweight materials. It has also set a target of allocating $400-million in new contracts over that same time to Quebec parts makers. It now buys about $800-million worth of materials annually from Quebec suppliers.

"I find it clearly in favour of General Motors," one industry observer said of the deal.

Officials said the deal could create as many as 1,000 jobs.

The auto maker eliminated about 1,400 jobs when it closed its Ste-Thérèse, Que., muscle car assembly plant last August.

GM Canada has met the terms of the loans and will continue to do so, said spokesman Richard James. One of the terms is that they are not repayable until 2017.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Art...GEEM/TPBusiness


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General Motors of Canada on Friday said it had signed an agreement with the Quebec government aimed at increasing to $C1.2 billion ($US811 million) from $C800 million the supply contracts it gives in Quebec, Reuters reported. Reuters said that GM's decision follows months of negotiations with public officials after the closure last year of the company's Camaro and Firebird plant in Ste-Therese, the only car plant that was left in the province.
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http://www.just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?a...rt=40393&nf=yes


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GM, for example, closed its assembly plant in Ste. Therese, Quebec, in August, but it has committed to a new third shift at one of its assembly plants in Oshawa, Ontario. It also has committed to a new paint shop there and new machining and powertrain work at its plant in St. Catharines, Ontario. Those moves were enough so that the union accepted a new contract with GM instead of walking out, despite its disappointment that it got nothing new for Ste. Therese.
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http://www.auto.com/industry/caw24_20020924.htm


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General Motors agreed to invest about $800 million Canadian, or about $509 million U.S. at current exchange rates, to increase employment in Oshawa and at its St. Catharines, Ontario, powertrain plants. The new investment partly makes up for the automaker's decision to close its Ste. Therese, Quebec, assembly plant.
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http://www.local2209.org/default115.asp


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...when the automaker shut down production at its 1,400-worker assembly plant in Ste-Therese, Quebec. Union job losses, however, were partially mitigated by GM's adding 1,000 workers for a third shift at one of its two Oshawa plants.
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http://www.conway.com/ssinsider/pwatch/pw021014.htm


WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STE. THERESE PLANT??


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The CAW was hoping to delay the demolition by three years (2005) to keep the plant standing through the length of the union's next national labour agreement with GM (2005), which will be negotiated this summer...
...The Ste-Therese workers will also be eligible for any new retirement incentives that the CAW negotiates in the next contract, he said.
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http://www.canoe.ca/BizTicker/CANOE-wire.G....GM-Quebec.html



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Posted - 02/28/2004 : 8:52:46 PM
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Part 3

SO IS THERE OR ISN'T THERE AN EXCLUSIVE AGREEMENT TO MAKE CAMAROS & FIREBIRDS AT THE STE. THERESE PLANT?

(from GM's own media website)

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GM of Canada’s Ste. Thérèse, Quebec plant has the exclusive General Motors mandate to assemble Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebirds.
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http://media.gmcanada.com/division/canada/...tiations_en.htm


Other things worth noting:

* Bob Lutz tells the media that there is a Camaro in the works and retracts it within days.

*Kurt Ritter (Chevy's former general manager) in a speech mentions a future Camaro, then backtracks.

*GM Performance group chief Mark Reuss stated that a priority of General Motors is to "find a chassis sutible for the next Camaro", then says he was misquoted, and denies a Camaro is in the works.

* Jon Moss hinted at a new Camaro "someday", as did Ron Zarella & GM's former product boss.



2. GM got a $200,000,000 INTREST FREE loan from Quebec (not due till 2017!! :eek: )& $100,000,000 in tax breaks in 1987 to produce the 4th gen Camaro there.

3. In that same agreement (done in 1987 NOT 1997) Ste. Therese won an exclusive agreement from GM to produce Camaros & Firebirds.... yes, and exclusive agreement!

4. By the mid to late 90s the Ste Threse plant was an albatross around GMs neck. Yet they did keep the plant going to most people in the know, long past it's usefulness.


6. If GM's contract is with the Ste Therese plant. As long as the plant is standing or unsold, GM has a promise to making the F-body at that plant!


Using numberous press and media sources & stringing them together, this is the story without compromising anybody.
 

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Those are very good reasons, I believe the Camaro will return, but there is atlk about it being called a Chevelle which would really disapoint me, so I hope you are right.
 
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