Mentioned in a reply this weekend from a plant worker; they have to produce one days worth of vehicles per shift. He/She didn't give any numbers. I think it was somewhere in the thread with 72 pics.
how long to build a solstice?
with all this talk about 'start of production' i'm curious. how long will it take for a solstice to go through the production line? how much of the line speed is determined by the time it takes to asemble components and how much is determined by the availability of the components (i think i've read that hydroforming takes more time and will limit production).
any idea how many solstice will be coming off the line per day?
any idea how many solstice will be coming off the line per day?
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Think he mentioned 80 cars a day but didn't say how many shifts.mikefred1952 said:Mentioned in a reply this weekend from a plant worker; they have to produce one days worth of vehicles per shift. He/She didn't give any numbers. I think it was somewhere in the thread with 72 pics.
See s-man's discussions of startup process in other thread...http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2474
I believe the goal was 56 per day per shift. Someone had previously mentioned that the plant had contacted suppliers about the possibility of adding a third shift. This leads me to believe they are planning on 2 shifts at
least. If they began May 31 and work 6 days a week for the first month they
could produce 3024 cars. If they could achieve 60% of that for the first month the figure would be 1814. If in July they worked 5 day weeks and achieved 85% of their goal they would produce 1808 cars. This should be enough to fill the first 1000 plus 1 car for dealers with an allocation for the first 4 months.
Will each dealer with an allocation get their first car before the large dealers get 2 or more?
If you believe it will take from May 31 until Sept 30 to produce 1000 cars, that is only averaging 6 cars per shift per day.
If they are saying it will take until October to produce the first 1000, how could there be any regular allocation for that peroid?
least. If they began May 31 and work 6 days a week for the first month they
could produce 3024 cars. If they could achieve 60% of that for the first month the figure would be 1814. If in July they worked 5 day weeks and achieved 85% of their goal they would produce 1808 cars. This should be enough to fill the first 1000 plus 1 car for dealers with an allocation for the first 4 months.
Will each dealer with an allocation get their first car before the large dealers get 2 or more?
If you believe it will take from May 31 until Sept 30 to produce 1000 cars, that is only averaging 6 cars per shift per day.
If they are saying it will take until October to produce the first 1000, how could there be any regular allocation for that peroid?
GM has be better at building cars . . .
If Pontiac cannot build 1000 cars the first month, using two shifts for only 5 days week, then folks, we are getting excited about a car that is being built by idiots. We need to look elsewhere for our automotive fix! I cannot help but believe that GM has their act together better than that. At least I surely hope so. The first 1000 cars should be at the dealers by the middle of June. Now watch, they won't show up until October!
If Pontiac cannot build 1000 cars the first month, using two shifts for only 5 days week, then folks, we are getting excited about a car that is being built by idiots. We need to look elsewhere for our automotive fix! I cannot help but believe that GM has their act together better than that. At least I surely hope so. The first 1000 cars should be at the dealers by the middle of June. Now watch, they won't show up until October!
Sounds like good logic Keith. Glad you build in those % factors because most likely it will be operating at reduced capacity at first.
Also with ~ 2000 dealerships and up to 6 cars of regular allocation per dealer ship. That is 12K cars, but we know all dealer don't get 6 so if is 50% of that
they still need 6K cars plus 1K. So 7K cars by Oct.
And the fact that they have ~ 5000 sold already or orders in the system,
and their financial situation and the fiscal year ends on Sept 30th.
they will want to get as many of these 5000 cars out and paid for before
Sept 30th to make this year look better.
Sounds like they really need to start cranking them out by June!!!!!!! OH!!!! :yesnod:
they still need 6K cars plus 1K. So 7K cars by Oct.
And the fact that they have ~ 5000 sold already or orders in the system,
and their financial situation and the fiscal year ends on Sept 30th.
they will want to get as many of these 5000 cars out and paid for before
Sept 30th to make this year look better.
Sounds like they really need to start cranking them out by June!!!!!!! OH!!!! :yesnod:
To my understanding, the initial four month allocation was anywhere from zero to 15 cars. Although dealers with more than 10 are probably limited to a few super-large metropolitan area dealers.Bought_It said:Also with ~ 2000 dealerships and up to 6 cars of regular allocation per dealer ship.
I know in my neck of the woods (NJ) the regular hometown dealers had allocations ranging from one to four Solstices, with the mega-automall dealer have something like 13 or 15.
Keith said:I believe the goal was 56 per day per shift. Someone had previously mentioned that the plant had contacted suppliers about the possibility of adding a third shift. This leads me to believe they are planning on 2 shifts at
least. If they began May 31 and work 6 days a week for the first month they
could produce 3024 cars. If they could achieve 60% of that for the first month the figure would be 1814.
those numbers work nicely for a summer solstice delivery of the first 1000. that would be a natural marketing target for the solstice introduction...i'm hopeful.
Dealers could get upto 5 cars (but only 9 dealers across the USA got that many) from EOP. Then after that as dengel said dealers could get anyhwere from 0 to so far the highest we've heard is 15 (my dealer in Central Florida has 15). Anyone kow if their dealer has gotten more then 15 cars?Bought_It said:Also with ~ 2000 dealerships and up to 6 cars of regular allocation per dealer ship. That is 12K cars, but we know all dealer don't get 6 so if is 50% of that
they still need 6K cars plus 1K. So 7K cars by Oct.
There's also over 2800 dealers. ~2000 signed up for the EOP program though.
Bought_It said:.......their financial situation and the fiscal year ends on Sept 30th.
they will want to get as many of these 5000 cars out and paid for before
Sept 30th to make this year look better.
GM's fiscal year end is December 31st.
And with yearly revenues around $200,000,000,000 (200 Billion Dollars), even 5,000 cars at $20,[email protected] would only be $100,000,000 (100 Million) or .05% of revenue.
Wow I just used the term, "only 100 million".
I had a dealer tell me this morning they had 19. Iam not so certain this is truth or "salesmanship". I am in Michigan and this is the Northwestern Metro area.brentil said:Dealers could get upto 5 cars (but only 9 dealers across the USA got that many) from EOP. Then after that as dengel said dealers could get anyhwere from 0 to so far the highest we've heard is 15 (my dealer in Central Florida has 15). Anyone kow if their dealer has gotten more then 15 cars?
There's also over 2800 dealers. ~2000 signed up for the EOP program though.
Don't forget that they will not be producing cars at 100% line speed right away. They will likely start out slow and ramp up to full speed over a period of time.AZJuez said:If Pontiac cannot build 1000 cars the first month, using two shifts for only 5 days week, then folks, we are getting excited about a car that is being built by idiots. We need to look elsewhere for our automotive fix! I cannot help but believe that GM has their act together better than that. At least I surely hope so. The first 1000 cars should be at the dealers by the middle of June. Now watch, they won't show up until October!
Also, don't forget it will take longer to build a Solstice than it will a typical small car. There are more operations in the build process performed by hand rather than machine than a typical car. So initial builds may be slow. That said, its still not going to take that long to build the first 1000. They are just giving a late delivery date to cover themselves from any long, unexpected delays.
how long
Ive heard it takes 18 hours for the average car to be built, painted and a quick test to be done.
Ive heard it takes 18 hours for the average car to be built, painted and a quick test to be done.
Don't forget these are also union workers building the cars. Figure 30% productivity versus a worker who has to produce to keep their job! :devil:
Just to be fair though its not 30%. That number makes non union workers look bad!
Just to be fair though its not 30%. That number makes non union workers look bad!
i'm not sure build time is all that important. What matters is cars per hour coming out of the door. if you have 100 cars on the assembly line and it takes 18 hrs to build one then you're turning out 133 cars per 24 hr day.
Here's how the math works... each car is a 1/100th of 18 hours, or 10.8 minutes apart. There are 1440 minutes in a 24 hr day, so 1440/10.8 = 133 cars per day. If there are only 50 positions on the line then each car is 21.6 minutes behind the one in front of it or 67 cars per day.
At 133 cars per day, it takes 7.5 days to build 1,000.
At 67 cars per day, it obviously takes 15 days.
Now if I haven't totally bored you with math, I'll go back to an earlier post where I figured out that the plant could build about 83 cars per 24 hours. Using my trusty bamboo slide rule, I come up with a build time of about 17 minutes and a guestimate of 63 cars on the assembly line at one time... (Based on 18 hr build time per car).
Whew.. what kind of grade do I get for my story problem? My Solstice will be the one with the big gold star on the windshield.
Here's how the math works... each car is a 1/100th of 18 hours, or 10.8 minutes apart. There are 1440 minutes in a 24 hr day, so 1440/10.8 = 133 cars per day. If there are only 50 positions on the line then each car is 21.6 minutes behind the one in front of it or 67 cars per day.
At 133 cars per day, it takes 7.5 days to build 1,000.
At 67 cars per day, it obviously takes 15 days.
Now if I haven't totally bored you with math, I'll go back to an earlier post where I figured out that the plant could build about 83 cars per 24 hours. Using my trusty bamboo slide rule, I come up with a build time of about 17 minutes and a guestimate of 63 cars on the assembly line at one time... (Based on 18 hr build time per car).
Whew.. what kind of grade do I get for my story problem? My Solstice will be the one with the big gold star on the windshield.
Wow! Hopefully we can get ours (First 1,000) by the 21st of June!
Efficiency..
OK OK I didn't throw in efficiency... take 70% line efficiency in to account and you get 63 positions @100% divided by 0.7 or 90 cars on the line at one time.
OK OK I didn't throw in efficiency... take 70% line efficiency in to account and you get 63 positions @100% divided by 0.7 or 90 cars on the line at one time.
I also have a retired bamboo slip stick..never needs batteries.. just a very sharp eye. Its on display under glass..grandkids wonder what it is.package said:i'm not sure build time is all that important. What matters is cars per hour coming out of the door. if you have 100 cars on the assembly line and it takes 18 hrs to build one then you're turning out 133 cars per 24 hr day.
Here's how the math works... each car is a 1/100th of 18 hours, or 10.8 minutes apart. There are 1440 minutes in a 24 hr day, so 1440/10.8 = 133 cars per day. If there are only 50 positions on the line then each car is 21.6 minutes behind the one in front of it or 67 cars per day.
At 133 cars per day, it takes 7.5 days to build 1,000.
At 67 cars per day, it obviously takes 15 days.
Now if I haven't totally bored you with math, I'll go back to an earlier post where I figured out that the plant could build about 83 cars per 24 hours. Using my trusty bamboo slide rule, I come up with a build time of about 17 minutes and a guestimate of 63 cars on the assembly line at one time... (Based on 18 hr build time per car).
Whew.. what kind of grade do I get for my story problem? My Solstice will be the one with the big gold star on the windshield.
Production numbers
Since I am not allowed to give actual numbers because it is PRIVLIDGED (?) information, I can say that 1 person is only a couple cars off per shift.
Since I am not allowed to give actual numbers because it is PRIVLIDGED (?) information, I can say that 1 person is only a couple cars off per shift.
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