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Toyota Official Press Release

As of today Toyota has announced that the Celica and MR2 will no longer be on sale in the USA as of the end of the 2005 Model Year. Long live the MR2.

Now begins the erra of Toyota hybrid cars, "more exciting and youthful" Scion's, Matrix, and Corolla XRS.
 

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Wow that is news. Surprised over Celica too. Toyota won't have much in the sporty category. More buyers for Solstice :jester
 

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It's too bad they didn't do a better job with the MR2 this time around. I was a fan of the first generation cars when they came out but the design of the newer ones just never did anything for me.

A roadster has to look good to be successful. You don't buy them based on practicality. You can have an ugly sedan do well if it's reliable and priced right. That won't work with a roadster.
 

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Thats a shame. Both are very good sporty little cars with only some minor complaints that could have easily (and inexpensively) been rectified by Toyota.

The MR2 is a great little roadster. It seems the only complaint people have had was with luggage capacity and power. The power deficit was probably its biggest shortcoming. The easy way to help the power issue would be to use the 180 HP Celica GTS motor in it. That thing powers the US Elise to some amazing times, and althought the MR2 is a little heavier than the Elise it still would be a rocket with that engine. Luggage capacity is not so easy to fix, but if they could re-route the exhaust somehow they would open some space behind the engine.

The Celica could use more flexible power. Sure, it could use a styling update too, but thats expected on a car entering its 6th model year. Way too long for a sport coupe. The power could have been answered by the 160 or so HP and Lb-TQ engine in the Camry and Scion TC. The engine can also be supercharged up to around 200, by a dealer installed package. They could have offered it factory. Both engines would be more satisfying in daily driving than the 180 HP screamer.

Its sad because I am not impressed with their youth movement (I am 26 and in their target demographic). The Scion vans just don't do much for me, and the Matrix looks like its trying too hard to look like a cool station wagon. The Pontiac Vibe version looks a thousand times better. I bet the Matrix moves to Scion on its next restyling too. Why leave one youth mobile at Toyota?

The TC just doesn't do anything for me. Its got clean styling, and appears to be decently built. Its also got plenty of features at its price making it an excellent buy. But it doesn't have the character the Celica does. Its no head turner. They are calling it a sport coupe, but it looks more like an economy coupe, along the lines of a Cavalier/Sunfire, Escort ZX2, Honda Civic type of car. Celica GT-S buyers are going to defect to Acura, not buy this Scion.
 

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I'm shocked about the celica! I was planning on buying a new celica until i saw the solstice! That's too bad, those celica's are pretty nice cars! As well as the MR2 but that doesnt surprise me much!
 

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The Celica is a suprise, but the MR2 should have been redesigned or yanked a long time ago. I don't know what is happening at Toyota. Ditch the Celica? Get the Solara pregnant? Let the MR2 die on the vine? Create a new division that makes trendy shoeboxes?

I guess their hybrid program will keep them on the cutting edge for a while, but I don't see alot of vision in thier design future. Oh well, I've never been a Toyota fan anyhow, but it seems they want to promote themselves as the world's most reliably boring car company.
 

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The Celica is a suprise, but the MR2 should have been redesigned or yanked a long time ago. I don't know what is happening at Toyota. Ditch the Celica? Get the Solara pregnant? Let the MR2 die on the vine? Create a new division that makes trendy shoeboxes?

I guess their hybrid program will keep them on the cutting edge for a while, but I don't see alot of vision in thier design future. Oh well, I've never been a Toyota fan anyhow, but it seems they want to promote themselves as the world's most reliably boring car company.
Toyota is really starting to resemble, Oldsmobile of 10 years ago! :eek

They have dropped just about anything with some fun potential now, and have a lineup of uninspiring designs and unexciting vehicles to drive. The engine numbers look good on paper for their cars, especially the V6's in the Camry and Solara. But both are about as sporty as a Mercury Grand Marquis.

They still have their quality reputation which will keep the sales going, but without the MR2 and Celica, they have an extremely boring lineup. They keep growing so its been working for them so far, but will it continue to work for them as more automakers bring out exciting styling and better quality? Once the competition catches up to (or at least gets close to) Toyota's preceived quality level, their big advantage disappears and they will have nothing to attract buyers.

Scion isn't fooling anyone either, as everyone knows its a bargain basement Toyota brand. Toyota claims to have created it to attract young people, but it may also be possible they created it to protect Toyota's preceived quality. Scions are rediculously dirt cheap, which means they cannot be paying a lot for the parts in them. Going to cheap parts is what got Detroit into reliability trouble. So if these cars are not as reliable as the usual Toyota, they won't drag down that brands' quality image. Sure they are going after a younger audience here, but I get the feeling they are willing to sacrafice some quality to do it, and hence the need to axe the Toyota cars with some excitement and try to move those buyers to Scion. Time will tell.
 

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im betting toyota is getting rid of sporty cars under that name to promote the scion image. don't know if they plan on having a scion roadster, but i bet its in the works
 

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Actually all the rumors point towards Toyota resurecting the Supra and working on hybrid sports cars. Things with like 300+ lb.-ft of torque from electric motors.

The striking Hybrid Synergy DriveO powertrain combines a 3.3-litre V6 petrol engine with 2 powerful electric motors which provide a total output of 408 bhp (300 kW).
With a top speed of 155 mph, 0-62 mph acceleration in a scorching 4.03 seconds, and a range of some 430 miles.
Some links to some of the concepts/rumors...

http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/rumors.htm

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/toyota_volta.asp
 

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Toyota is really starting to resemble, Oldsmobile of 10 years ago! :eek

They have dropped just about anything with some fun potential now, and have a lineup of uninspiring designs and unexciting vehicles to drive. The engine numbers look good on paper for their cars, especially the V6's in the Camry and Solara. But both are about as sporty as a Mercury Grand Marquis.
Tables have turned a bit...now we now have hot new American designs and boring Japanese cars. This is a great time :patriot
 

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Actually all the rumors point towards Toyota resurecting the Supra and working on hybrid sports cars. Things with like 300+ lb.-ft of torque from electric motors.



Some links to some of the concepts/rumors...

http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/rumors.htm

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/toyota_volta.asp
The new Supra rumors are cool, but it sounds like it will play at a higher price level than most people really like to play. They need to inject some sportyness throughout their lineup. A new Supra would make a great halo vehicle (ala a 350Z, Corvette, etc) but they also need some other cars with attractive designs that are fun to drive. Maybe they will get there.

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Tables have turned a bit...now we now have hot new American designs and boring Japanese cars. This is a great time
Indeed it is!
 

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America :patriot had the cars in the seventies, and it's happening again! The new GTO, the '05 mustang, and i've heard dodge is making a charger with there new hemi. But the Solstice is the coolest. :patriot
 

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America :patriot had the cars in the seventies, and it's happening again! The new GTO, the '05 mustang, and i've heard dodge is making a charger with there new hemi. But the Solstice is the coolest. :patriot
Not to mention the 300c, Viper, C6, SSR, XLR, GT, Magnum and Thunderbird. I know, the Thunderbird is considered to be crap by many, but I believe it was a good effort considering their budget, and I believe that the car does have potential. I have rented several from Hertz and they're not all bad. The major weak spots are tranny, HP, exhaust and ugly wheels. I may yet buy one years from now and build a custom supercharged, 6 speed version, with a modified grill and custom tail lights if Ford won't. Having owned a couple of vintage T-birds in the past, I guess I'm partial. I feel they were almost there with the new one when they gave up. Anyhow for now the Solstice fits me perfectly, and I will have it!
 

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The new Charger does sound exciting, but I think it will get criticized by the mopar faithful as the GTO has been criticized. The new Charger is going to be a 4 door sedan, essentially a reskinned Chrysler 300C. Also, the Charger will not get a high output Hemi as the 300C is (The 300C SRT-8 to be exact). At least not right away. It will have to make do with the regular hemi as its top engine.

That said, these new Chryslers are exciting. Their styling is a little out on the edge and creates a love it or hate it feeling with people, but enough people love it that its been a big success! Every company needs something to help stand out, and Chrysler is using styling.

Oh, and with all those great cars the domestics are making... don't forget the Solstice! :thumbs
 
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