I have been crunching a lot of numbers since autumn 2016 (keeps me of the streets at night) and located the full VIN of 107658 Kappas:
Model Year 2006
Experimental VIN = Located 78
First 1st 1000 VIN = 1G2MB33BX6Y000001
Last 1st 1000 VIN = 1G2MB33B26Y001000
First regular VIN = 1G2MB33B66Y100001
Last regular VIN = 1G2MB35B66Y120195
Total VIN = 21273
Model Year 2007
Experimental VIN = Located 68
First regular VIN = 1G8MB33B77Y100001
Last regular VIN = 1G2MB35B17Y142882
Total VIN = 42950
Model Year 2008
Experimental VIN = Located 44
First regular VIN = 1G2MG35XX8Y100001
Last regular VIN = 1G8MF35X68Y134056
Total VIN = 34100
Model Year 2009
Experimental VIN = Located 15
First regular VIN = 1G2MG25X99Y000001
Last regular VIN = 1G2MT25X89Y001152
First regular VIN = 1G8MF35X79Y100001
Last regular VIN = 1G2MN35B69Y108138
Total VIN = 9305
Model Year 2010
Experimental VIN = Located 0
First regular VIN = 1G2ME2CX9AY100001
Last regular VIN = 1G2ME3CX8AY100030
Total VIN = 30
Model Year 2006 - 2010
Total VIN = 107658
For all "Last regular VIN" I did increase the sequential 10 cars beyond that range and calculated the various VIN possibilities (for all solstice, sky, gt, g2x, versions, editions, engines, transmission, etcetera) and then checked this car was built or not. All to make sure the last VIN was really the last VIN. Is the best I could do, but this methode is not 100% water proof.
The famous spreadsheet, compiled by Reedred, DaveOC and others, listed the following numbers based on monthly production data published by GM:
MY2006 = 21273
MY2007 = 42950
MY2008 = 34100
MY2009 = 9305
MY2010 = 30
Total = 107658
Interesting for all those hard core coupe fans is that I only found 1265 coupe reguler-VIN , not 1266 as mentioned elsewhere, and 1280 coupe in total.
Below the production numbers, including EX VIN, for all the four different Kappa models.
I included (at a later date) percentage info for the coupes and percentage & engine info for the roadsters. Although it is possible to read (most) transmission info from a roadster VIN this (GM) info is/seems unreliable and therefore I do not to include that at this time and will only list transmission info for the coupes
At first it seems a bit complicated. But as soon as you realize what the heck I was thinking you will appreciate it (I hope)
And because there are so many Coupe fans also a Kappa Coupe Production based on VIN table dedicated to those unique Kappas!
Please be aware that above table: - considers Kappas a Coupe when the VIN indicates it is Coupe. No matter what the body looks like. - considers Kappas a Coupe when the 6th digit of the VIN is a 2. No matter what the body looks like. - So a prototype Coupe made from a Roadster VIN Kappa, like for instance 1G2MF35X58Y0026EX, is not in the list. - In this forum it is reported that sequential 106110 is a Coupe. But since the VIN 6th digit (1G2MN35B79Y106110) indicates this is not a Coupe it is not in this list.
Last but not least the Kappa Production based on VIN - Model Year vs Calendar Year
Is interesting to see how much off set there is between Model Year and Production Calendar Year.
Model Year 2007 was produced for a very long time, a whopping 19 months
Small Print =
I gave it my 100% , but I have no way of knowing how complete / incomplete these lists are. I guess only the Wilmington Factory Cat knows that.
I have been crunching a lot of numbers since autumn 2016 (keeps me of the streets at night) and located the full VIN of 107454 Kappas:
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Interesting for all those hard core coupe fans is that I only found 1265 coupe (based on VIN) , not 1266 as mentioned elsewhere.
If you count the EX VIN coupe that you know about in the 1266, you'll need to identify and count all of the EX VINs that were built leading up to 2006 production in your numbers. There were likely more EXs for '07 GXPs, and any other coupes. Not to mention the GT, Sky & Daewoo and any that were built for '08, '09 & '10... I wish you luck in locating those numbers!
The VIN (whether EX or regular production) should* still be coded as to how the vehicle was originally built, regardless of what the future intention was or the actual hardware it was built with. For the Kappa if the 6th digit in the VIN is "2" then it should be counted as a Coupe. If a "3", count as a convertible.
...but, in the spirit of your original post, EX VINs wouldn't be quoted as production units anyway! EX VINs are akin to corporate test assets & are accounted for more like capital equipment, not as a revenue generating production vehicle.
*I can't guarantee that EX VINs follow the production-run rules. That's beyond my knowledge of VIN assignment rules and procedures.
Know the VIN of the vert that became a coupe? It's been so long I've forgotten the details of how the total number of coupes was figured out. And I'm glad I used vinyl for my 1 of 1266 coupes rear window sticker.
Know the VIN of the vert that became a coupe? It's been so long I've forgotten the details of how the total number of coupes was figured out. And I'm glad I used vinyl for my 1 of 1266 coupes rear window sticker.
According to Barrett-Jackson - 1G2MF35X58Y0026EX (This was a 2008 convertible that was converted to a coupe for auto show use. It is not licenseable due to the EX ending of the VIN. This car was NOT reported as a coupe in GXPvin49's listing of 1266 coupes.
1G2MN35B79Y106110 was reported as a non-sequential vin coupe by GXPvin49 in his original listing of the 1266 coupes, but the VIN identifies it as a convertible.
If you count the EX VIN coupe that you know about in the 1266, you'll need to identify and count all of the EX VINs that were built leading up to 2006 production in your numbers. ....
That is what I am doing, counting all Kappa VIN, hence the title of this thread. The EX VIN are very difficult though, I am working on it but it might take a few months or longer. I think there must be many more but would not be surprised when there are no EX VIN for GT and G2X. (Note Aug-15 = In the mean time that has been proven wrong, I have located various GT and G2X EX VIN)
I updated the MY2006 data with 78 EX vin and MY2007 with 64 VIN. Stopped working on MY2006 for now but still working on 2007 - 2010
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...but, in the spirit of your original post, EX VINs wouldn't be quoted as production units anyway! EX VINs are akin to corporate test assets & are accounted for more like capital equipment, not as a revenue generating production vehicle.......
It looks like that EX VIN are listed as production VIN, at least for 2006. Because my VIN Production List (incl EX VIN) matches Reedred and DaveOC their list of GM Production Numbers perfectly for the year 2006.
It looks like that EX VIN are listed as production VIN, at least for 2006. Because my VIN Production List (incl EX VIN) matches Reedred and DaveOC their list of GM Production Numbers perfectly for the year 2006.
I suspect you are correct. After the bankruptcy, there were a series of 2006 Solstices that had been in the Heritage Collection that were sold off through Barrett-Jackson, all conveyed by Bill of Sale, No Certificate of Origin, no VIN number listed. These were SEMA cars, some well known race cars, drift cars, other show cars. I suspect they were all EX cars, transferred to the marketing department, which moved them out to the race car developers, show car builders, etc.
How about that LS7 build that was featured in Hot Rod magazine. The Jazz transformer. The Solstice Club Racer.
I also expect that in 2007 and beyond that they played by the rules and any EX cars you find will not be listed as production cars.
And, as to the show cars, etc., the only one I've found with an EX vin is the 2008 Heritage Edition Coupe.
I just perused a bunch of the Heritage Collection Cars that went through Barrett-Jackson:
6Y100213 - "Jazz" Transformer Solstice, Scottsdale 2017, Bill of Sale
6Y100458 - RK Sports, SEMA, Scottsdale 2013, no title restriction noted.
8Y0026EX - 2008 Heritage Edition Coupe, Scottsdale 2012, Bill of Sale
6Y100225 - 2006 Red Bull Show Car, Las Vegas 2009, Bill of Sale Incomplete VIN - GXP-R Show Car, Palm Beach, 2009, Bill of Sale
6Y100085 - DTP Custom SEMA show car, Scottsdale 2009, Scrap title
6Y100145 - "Rush City" Solstice, Scottsdale 2009, Bill of Sale (Also shown as sold at Las Vegas 2008)
6Y100236 - Red Bull Drifter, Scottsdale 2009, Scrap title.
6Y100097 - "Weekend Club Racer", Scottsdale 2009, Scrap Title
Bill of Sale = No title, unable to be driven on public roads.
Scrap Title = Not able to be driven on public roads.
Great detailed list Dave ! Will compare them to my less detailed list later.
I have been working on the 2007 EX VIN a bit more. Now have the following MY2007 EX VIN:
Solstice = 4 see more up to date info in the first message in this thread
Sky = Appr 60 see more up to date info in the first message in this thread
GT = 6 see more up to date info in the first message in this thread
G2X = 3 see more up to date info in the first message in this thread
I was kind of surprised about the GT and G2X VIN. Had not expected those.
For the Wilmington plant, the model year cut-over usually occurred in mid June. (For instance, model year 2007 for the Pontiac Solstice ran from mid-June 2006 through mid-June 2007, at which time model year 2008 started.)
Found many more EXperimental VIN , so my total Kappa production count (see initial post in this thread) is now only one less than the spreadsheet compiled by Reedred, DaveOC and others
List deleted: see more up to date info in the first message in this thread
Found many more EXperimental VIN , so my total Kappa production count (see initial post in this thread) is now only one less than the spreadsheet compiled by Reedred, DaveOC and others
Awesome! After all these years it's so nice to have everything tie out, it's amazing that all those monthly reports from GM back then were so accurate, and that Reed's and my assumptions about certain aspects of the very early production were proven to be accurate.
How badly is that one missing VIN going to bug you?
But remember, we will never know how many VIN are missing, could be 1, could be 100, who knows. But the best educated guess is that at the moment one is missing.
Just updated the first post in this thread with some tables that give a nice overview of the Kappa Production based on VIN and EXperimental VIN.
107,000 is a number to show prospective vendors - that is a nice healthy sales potential. It is equivalent to many British cars (MGs, Triumphs etc.) that were made in those approximate numbers and still support an economically viable after market.
You write you have an incomplete vin. What parts of the vin do you have ?
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