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I'll said it before and I'll say it again. I've never seen the sense in driving several hundred miles to a destination, and then having to go on driving events. Plus having to drive several hundred miles back home. But then I'm old. Of course now that I think about it, there's nothing saying you can't just hang around the host hotel parking lot watching Kappa's come and go all week.

Regardless, distance is the main reason I've never attended any events, now if I owned a truck and trailer maybe I'd consider it, but I don't. Since we live in Michigan, Canton was the only one I had planned on attending, but then family health issues put a stop to that. Which I can't help but notice was the largest attended event, but that was back in 07.

Point being, I think a central USA location would bring more participants to a NASSAM event; like Indy. I know they don't have mountains and scenic roads of the east and west coast. But what it lacks in scenery is made up by it's central location. I mean if the point is to try and get as many participants as possible to attend a nationals then I think a more central USA location would seem to be a logical choice.

Now back to it: :lurk::lurk::lurk:
I have only been to one National, Nashville, in 2007. I did not have a particularly good time. However, I would attend another if it was relatively close, say 500 miles or so. Corning, NY is about an 900 mile drive, which is a bit more than I want to drive.

That said, let's continue the Nationals discussion here, rather than in the statistics thread.

Thank you all for your consideration.

DaveOC

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I have been to several. They do involve travel and expense and are not for all. But I have enjoyed attending and hosting on two occasions. It's fun for us to visit with friends and enjoy the company. And to share time with a gaggle of new people many of whom will become new friends.
 

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Yeah other than the runs it's really a case of getting out of it what you put in it. Looking forward to Corning and both I and my copilot are planning on having a blast!
 

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I have removed my posts from the statistics thread, and suggest others do the same. Dave has a good point about de-cluttering that thread. In retrospect I wish I had cut and pasted my post here, but ...

I agree with Rob that it is good for people to be interested in hosting the meets, but also that there should be a general east-west swing to the location and that some discussion really should precede the announcement of where it will be.

By convention, 2022 should be somewhere west. Is anyone out there interested? Now is the time to start talking about it.

Regarding broken records, why would one inject a "why I don't go" post into a discussion about the meets? It seems rather pointless.
 

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I've never been to one yet - either too far or didn't have the time free - but I intend to go to this years at Corning.

I won't be going because of the runs or other 'events', but simply to meet people I've only ever interacted with on the fora, and meets some again (here's looking at you Sly Bob!) that I haven't seen in a while.
 

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I'm not sure what convention is being used because most of the events so far have been mid to east...well, geographically speaking anyway. I believe there have only been three that I (from Seattle) would have considered "west"...those being Las Vegas, Flagstaff and Portland. So, from 2013 to 2015 it went west-east-west. Everything else is at least 1300 miles from "west" as far as I can tell. That said, I consider 2020 being put on by us (Seattle Roadsters and Pacific Northwest Roadsters) to have been claimed by the westerners. I thought that with 2019 being Michigan (Middle) that 2022 would be east (say WV), or at least east of the Mississippi River. But it is up for grabs! :)

I have removed my posts from the statistics thread, and suggest others do the same. Dave has a good point about de-cluttering that thread. In retrospect I wish I had cut and pasted my post here, but ...

I agree with Rob that it is good for people to be interested in hosting the meets, but also that there should be a general east-west swing to the location and that some discussion really should precede the announcement of where it will be.

By convention, 2022 should be somewhere west. Is anyone out there interested? Now is the time to start talking about it.

Regarding broken records, why would one inject a "why I don't go" post into a discussion about the meets? It seems rather pointless.
 

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I have been to nine nationals. I agree it requires some driving in order to attend but I've totally enjoyed going to places I probably never would have seen. I go to the national events to do the cruises. I've had forty years of car show and don't intend to enter ever again. I've done road race tracks and drag in the past and not interested in them. I think the Nationals issue is who will put in the time and energy to create an event. A couple years ago it looked like no one would step up. If flip flopping east and west doesn't work out, then maybe there should be regional yearly meets. We get very few vendors attending and our cars are getting older, for the long mileage travel. I'm looking forward to Corning to see the country and great cruising roads. I'm planning to attend S. Dakota in 2020 since I've never been there. It appears Michigan is planning 2021. Let's just hope this great group continues to survive.
 

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Oh, and I'll comment on my own comment. The reason we chose Rapid City is because I'd hoped it would be considered a more central location. For years we've talked about doing a Northern California Redwoods tour, but at this point I just can't imagine that long trip considering the population center of the country is in Missouri. I figured we were stretching it to even propose Rapid City...which is closer to most of the folks who may attend than it is for those of us doing the work to plan the event.

I'm not sure what convention is being used because most of the events so far have been mid to east...well, geographically speaking anyway. I believe there have only been three that I (from Seattle) would have considered "west"...those being Las Vegas, Flagstaff and Portland. So, from 2013 to 2015 it went west-east-west. Everything else is at least 1300 miles from "west" as far as I can tell. That said, I consider 2020 being put on by us (Seattle Roadsters and Pacific Northwest Roadsters) to have been claimed by the westerners. I thought that with 2019 being Michigan (Middle) that 2022 would be east (say WV), or at least east of the Mississippi River. But it is up for grabs! :)
 

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According to Wiki Lebanon, KS is the center of the US.

Things to do in Lebanon, KS.
1. Visit the Geographic Center of the Contiguous United States.
2. Visit the US center chapel.
3. ?
 

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Corning will be my first visit to a National event as it is very close and in the past just didn't have the time. I'm looking forward to to meeting new people, runs and just general fun. Kudos to all who invest the time and effort to put together and event.
 

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Using the geographic center of the US is less useful that the population center, since you want to be the most equitable to the most people, not to the most dirt.

The median center of the US population is Pike County, Indiana.

I couldn't find a population median for North America, but to include our Canadian brethren we can probably just move that point north a bit, although that is more likely to land it in the middle of a corn or bean field.
 

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I would have gone next year to Rapid City, but was there last summer, just before the announcement was made of where 2020 will be.... It is a bit far to drive (about a 22 hour drive from Detroit), let alone in a 2 seater. For all the peeps coming from the east, the highway has an 80mph speed limit in SD! ;) So make sure you've had the coolant flushed and got good tires!! I do agree with maybe more "regional" meets, if we can get people to step up and do some planning. Then people could actually choose. Maybe one year someone from the east would travel west. Or maybe, just maybe, have a national meet once every 2 years instead of every year and regional in between to keep the club going. Not sure how the Corvette club does it, but last year in Rapid City, the Corvette club had their national meet there and every hotel lot was filled with Corvettes. Now I know Corvettes out-number Solstice/Sky but still....never seen so many Corvettes. The cars are getting older and that's my biggest concern of traveling anywhere more then about 400 miles from my house with it.

Let me suggest something. I know we have moderators on the forum.... I think our community is big enough and old enough now to maybe have volunteers and a board (if we don't already have a board). I know RTE is a lead member on the forum. Have the board members "geographically" located. Say 1 from each state and then of those, have 5 or so that are "regional" and that discuss what the state leaders bring to them. And this "board" would make decisions together. There are computer programs like "gotomeeting" where the 10 members can discuss plans and items. Maybe even get the vendors involved in this that are still around...like DDM and PAW and Windrestrictor. Maybe this all goes on already. I know that my manager at the body shop was the Porsche club President for MI, and he had monthly meetings with MI, IL, IN, OH, and WI. And bi-yearly meetings with all of the states to discuss meets and activities.
 

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Let me suggest something. I know we have moderators on the forum.... I think our community is big enough and old enough now to maybe have volunteers and a board (if we don't already have a board). I know RTE is a lead member on the forum. Have the board members "geographically" located. Say 1 from each state and then of those, have 5 or so that are "regional" and that discuss what the state leaders bring to them. And this "board" would make decisions together. There are computer programs like "gotomeeting" where the 10 members can discuss plans and items. Maybe even get the vendors involved in this that are still around...like DDM and PAW and Windrestrictor. Maybe this all goes on already. I know that my manager at the body shop was the Porsche club President for MI, and he had monthly meetings with MI, IL, IN, OH, and WI. And bi-yearly meetings with all of the states to discuss meets and activities.
Let me try to put this into some form of perspective. In 2018, Porsche sold approximately 55,000 automobiles in the US. The total, world-wide production of Solstices and Skys was just a tad over 100,000.

Hmm . . . there's a LOT more Porsches around than Solstices and Skys. We couldn't support a structure such as the Porsche Club maintains.

Just some food for thought.

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You can have all the board members , you can get, but usually the persons making suggestions want someone else to organized and do the work. With our small group , 100+ kappas at a national meet, it has been difficult to get volunteers. Organization of a national meet is a tremendous amount of work. Just putting together a good cruise route is work. Many want to participate but few want to do the work involved. Unfortunately it ends of falling on those that continue to contribute. This falls all the way back to the local clubs. Many of the kappa state clubs have folded or do very little. Maybe before we get into east west discussions there should be some groups that show they are willing to sponsor the event. It appears to me we are doing regional meets already. Very feweast coast Kappas attend the west events and vice versa. just my thoughts!!
 

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Not wasting anymore time on this.

Two complete responses, but see no point in my response

Wish you guys luck with your regional events.
 

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Seems to me it's all about the numbers, like DaveOC stated, 100,000 produced.
So.......google Fiero events. Fiero total production was a little over 136,000.
The search finds "NO" events billed as National.
Even their 35th Anniversary event in Illinois does not include a "National" badge.
There are active clubs scattered across the country, but the bulk seems to be midwest.
It appears that they still have enough events to have many decent gatherings to keep the loyalists happy.
Let nature take it's course, If there is an event within your comfortable range, support it!

Field of Dreams..........Build it and they will come!!!
 

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Not wasting anymore time on this.

Two complete responses, but see no point in my response

Wish you guys luck with your regional events.
So, why waste time responding to something by saying that you aren't going to waste time responding to it?
Seems to me it's all about the numbers, like DaveOC stated, 100,000 produced.
So.......google Fiero events. Fiero total production was a little over 136,000.
The search finds "NO" events billed as National.
Even their 35th Anniversary event in Illinois does not include a "National" badge.
There are active clubs scattered across the country, but the bulk seems to be midwest.
It appears that they still have enough events to have many decent gatherings to keep the loyalists happy.
Let nature take it's course, If there is an event within your comfortable range, support it!

Field of Dreams..........Build it and they will come!!!
Actually, if you google Kappa events you will also find "NO" events with a "National" badge.

North
American
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Sky
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Nothing national about it.

Kappa density follows population density to a large degree, so with the population center in Indiana it should be pretty obvious where the meets are going to get the largest attendance.
 

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If we assume for a moment that 2019, 2020 and 2021 are spoken for and accepted...2022 is open. I've seen or heard two serious proposals, those being West Virginia and Northern California (I'm not sure Lebanon, KS and Indianapolis, IN were serious...just proposed geographic and population centers).

Having said that, there are those who have been anywhere from uncomfortable to critical of the way recent years were announced, for 2022 what comes next given the two...four suggestions?
 
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