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Well, the title says it all. Last night my oldest son comes home and I did not hear his car pull up. Evidently, he missed a turn and hit a curb and has blown out both right tires. The wife and I go look and yep, they are blown. after a closer look, the right front rim has a huge chunk missing and since he drove it about 100 yds to park it in front of a friends house, the tire is half off the rim which tore off the wheel well cover. Anyway, I ended up taking 2 tires off the other one and put them on his and drove it home. But the bigger problem is the steering. it pulls to the left very hard. Like something is bent and while trying to drive straight, it feels like something is wobbling as well, hard to tell. I'm going to look at it tonight but any ideas as to what is bent up front? he must have hit it at 35 or 40. surprisingly, the airbags did not deploy.


I was able to pop the bead back on. the black spots were from the first attemps. lacquer thinner didn't do the trick but starter fluid did.


there's a huge gash in the corner of the rear tire, it's done.



Minor damage up here.


I took this to see if I could see anything bent.





And I'll need a new one of these.

His 25th B-day is tomorrow...If he makes it that far.
 

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Sorry for your loss . . . :devil:

Kids

We bought our oldest a VW bug as his first car. Easy to fix and too slow to get seriously hurt in it. So the wife loans him her Jeep and he flips it end over end . .. three times. Fell asleep.

So we buy him a very nice used Chevy sedan. Two months later he totals it. Head on into a steel light pole. In a parking lot. At 6 in the morning.

Our youngest totalled TWO cars before he moved out of the house.

The wheels are readily available. They look like the polished stock wheels which can be had used from a lot of sources. Or you could use this as justification for you to get some nice wheels for YOUR car and donate your factory wheels to the son! Works for me.

If you do not see anything obviously bent down there, spend the money for a four wheel alighment and see if that fixes the problem. Its possible that the problem is on the rear so check that area carefully first.

Sorry for your pain.:willy::willy::willy:
 

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Thanks. I think the rear was the result in the curb cutting the tire. it has the clunk and if he were to have hit it harder, I think it would have gotten worse and all that seems the same. Hopefully like you said, an alignment will fix it. I like my rims and am pretty much broke at the moment anyway. just gonna fix and move on. And you don;t have to tell me about kids and cars. the middle one has totalled 2 crew cab frontiers less than a year apart and then raked the side against a fence on his second new one. all I can do is look back and count the number if times I put my parents car in a ditch or rearended someone and the head on that totalled my dads truck. My shoulder still hurts and it wasn't from the accident.
 

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It's all about paying attention to your surroundings. I have been driving for 25 years..... 1 accident, wasn't my fault, a 15 year old kid turned left in front of me, I had no chance! Been my only accident (knock on wood). Kids today have ADD when they drive. I watched a kid yesterday morning on the way into work. He almost had an accident 5 times in the 2 miles I followed him. When I was married, my wife and I had agreed that when her daughters started driving, they were to not have their phones. We would get them a vehicle that had a built in phone like GM cars do, and that they would have to leave their phones at home....at least for the first year of driving.
 

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With what appears to be a very hard hit on that right front side I would check out the upper control arm. Don't think it could survive that impact without getting screwed up. These cars are pretty tough and apparently it's still driveable, but that elbow will likely need to be replaced. Good luck.
 

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First of all, I'm sorry about the accident. That's very rough. I hope that this expensive (but injury-free) event will cause you to rethink letting a youth drive any sports car, but especially this one.

Based on the damage to the vehicle, I would be willing to bet that your son was intentionally taking a corner at a higher-than-safe speed and lost control. Fishtailing in a RWD vehicle is fairly easy to recover from, because your natural instinct is to counter-steer. This will put the car into a power slide, which is just the sort of the thing that will lead to a side impact with a curb. He was driving like an asshat on a public street. Guaranteed.

The Solstice is NOT a safe car:

  • It does not have a 5-star NHTSA safety rating and it was not even rated by the IIHS.
  • It offers absolutely no protection to the driver or passenger in the case of a rollover
  • It is not stable in corners
  • Drivers and passengers are far more likely to be thrown from convertibles than closed vehicles in any type of crash
  • The Solstice is not stable in corners at even moderate speeds
  • The Solstice traction control can be easily turned off with the push of a button to allow easier burnouts and other **** that you don't want kids doing in your car
  • The car is even more unstable in corners with TCS/ESC in Competitive Mode or disabled

Please don't let your kids drive your Solstices anymore. Its dangerous for them, dangerous for other drivers on the road, and most importantly, dangerous for your poor Sols. Young people are easily intoxicated by the looks, speed, and power of a sports car. Its not worth the risk.

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Well, he's 25, not a kid like you guys think and 2, he was not racing or hotrodding or anything like that. He's usually very responsible thus the reason for me letting him driving it. He works 40 hours a week and gives me about 500 a month for expenses. What happened it he was at his buddy's house playing pool, whom I better never catch him at and the guy was smoking some of that incense you've all heard about and my son was stupid enough to try it. I talked to them when I picked up the car and they said he took one hit, kinda blacked out, freaked out and said I gotta go home, I gotta go home, took off down the street to make a uturn like he normally does and hit the front of the culdesak. I'm just glad he didn't get hurt, or hit another car, get arrested or worse. He's gonna pay for all the damages and hopefully learns from this.
 

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First of all, I'm sorry about the accident. That's very rough. I hope that this expensive (but injury-free) event will cause you to rethink letting a youth drive any sports car, but especially this one.

Based on the damage to the vehicle, I would be willing to bet that your son was intentionally taking a corner at a higher-than-safe speed and lost control. Fishtailing in a RWD vehicle is fairly easy to recover from, because your natural instinct is to counter-steer. This will put the car into a power slide, which is just the sort of the thing that will lead to a side impact with a curb. He was driving like an asshat on a public street. Guaranteed.

The Solstice is NOT a safe car:

  • It does not have a 5-star NHTSA safety rating and it was not even rated by the IIHS.
  • It offers absolutely no protection to the driver or passenger in the case of a rollover
  • It is not stable in corners
  • Drivers and passengers are far more likely to be thrown from convertibles than closed vehicles in any type of crash
  • The Solstice is not stable in corners at even moderate speeds
  • The Solstice traction control can be easily turned off with the push of a button to allow easier burnouts and other **** that you don't want kids doing in your car
  • The car is even more unstable in corners with TCS/ESC in Competitive Mode or disabled

Please don't let your kids drive your Solstices anymore. Its dangerous for them, dangerous for other drivers on the road, and most importantly, dangerous for your poor Sols. Young people are easily intoxicated by the looks, speed, and power of a sports car. Its not worth the risk.

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I feel obligated to respond.

I do not know the source of your information but,

IIHS is the captive creation of insurance companies. While I am sure they do good work, I have no reason to seek out their results. They have to the best of my knowledge not tested the Solstice. Having not tested it, it would be natural for them to not have a rating. I fail to understand why you mention this as a high negative.

The NHTSA has tested the Solstice and rates it as
Front Crash
Driver side 4 stars of a possible 5
Passenger side 4 stars of a possible 5
Side Crash
Driver side 4 stars of a possible 5
Passenger side not rated
Roll over
Driver 5 stars out of a possible 5


There are multiple documented examples of drivers taking the car past its limits and ending up upside down in a ditch. And crawling out uninjured.

The NHTSA and insurance companies disagree with your statement.
There are multiple instances described on this and the Sky forum of various collisions at all speeds up to freeway limits where cars were totaled and passengers walked away with none or minor injuries.

The cars are very stable in corners. They include multiple safety systems including stability control which enhance their safety and help protect the driver from human error. Yes, if the operator chooses to take direct action and disables the safety systems then bad results can occur. But the same can be said about many human controlled activities. In a trivial example, one might walk off the roof of a building and be injured, does that imply that you should deny your children access to buildings?

Your conclusion about being more likely to be ejected is in my experience also not based on actual data. Grandma riding in the back of a minivan without her seatbelt is at greater risk than a person riding in a Solstice with their seatbelts in place.

Yes, any safety system can be circumvented, however since neither you nor I have any personal knowledge concerning the people involved in this incident, it is in my humble opinion the height of arrogance to make negative assumptions about them based on no knowledge.

The car is NOT unstable in corners. This is why it has been so successful in competition and is so much fun to drive. Can it be driven beyond its limits? Sure. But hammers are more dangerous in the wrong hands. Should we deny children access to anything that might be dangerous if used improperly?

I suspect that you have some personal experience that is motivating your statements and respect your right to be wrong in this instance.

But as I say, in your above statements about the Solstice you are in my opinion in error.

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Yeah, this was not one of those incidents where kiddo was racing in daddy's sports car. what happened to him could have happened in any vehicle and the fact that there was no damage to the body ( except for him driving it with a blown out tire ) and that the air bags did not deploy says a lot. a lady from work hit a curb in her mustang and the airbags went off. this is my sons 3rd car and his first accident. he turns 25 tomorrow so when I got the GXP, I told him he could have the NA.
 

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Fully agree with Rob on the safety comment push-back. May not be the safest car ever. But certainly safe enough. There used to be a comprehensive video of crash testing the Sol, which showed how remarkably it absorbed the damage. Unfortunately that video seems to have been removed and all I can find now are a couple of very short crash vids. :(
 

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I feel obligated to respond.

I do not know the source of your information but,

IIHS is the captive creation of insurance companies. While I am sure they do good work, I have no reason to seek out their results. They have to the best of my knowledge not tested the Solstice. Having not tested it, it would be natural for them to not have a rating. I fail to understand why you mention this as a high negative.

The NHTSA has tested the Solstice and rates it as
Front Crash
Driver side 4 stars of a possible 5
Passenger side 4 stars of a possible 5
Side Crash
Driver side 4 stars of a possible 5
Passenger side not rated
Roll over
Driver 5 stars out of a possible 5


There are multiple documented examples of drivers taking the car past its limits and ending up upside down in a ditch. And crawling out uninjured.

The NHTSA and insurance companies disagree with your statement.
There are multiple instances described on this and the Sky forum of various collisions at all speeds up to freeway limits where cars were totaled and passengers walked away with none or minor injuries.

The cars are very stable in corners. They include multiple safety systems including stability control which enhance their safety and help protect the driver from human error. Yes, if the operator chooses to take direct action and disables the safety systems then bad results can occur. But the same can be said about many human controlled activities. In a trivial example, one might walk off the roof of a building and be injured, does that imply that you should deny your children access to buildings?

Your conclusion about being more likely to be ejected is in my experience also not based on actual data. Grandma riding in the back of a minivan without her seatbelt is at greater risk than a person riding in a Solstice with their seatbelts in place.

Yes, any safety system can be circumvented, however since neither you nor I have any personal knowledge concerning the people involved in this incident, it is in my humble opinion the height of arrogance to make negative assumptions about them based on no knowledge.

The car is NOT unstable in corners. This is why it has been so successful in competition and is so much fun to drive. Can it be driven beyond its limits? Sure. But hammers are more dangerous in the wrong hands. Should we deny children access to anything that might be dangerous if used improperly?

I suspect that you have some personal experience that is motivating your statements and respect your right to be wrong in this instance.

But as I say, in your above statements about the Solstice you are in my opinion in error.

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I may be a newbie here, but you are misinformed about these ratings. The NHTSA rollover rating is a rating of the likelihood of a vehicle to rollover, not the likelihood of being injured in the event of a rollover. The car is not likely to roll over because it is has an extremely low center of gravity (being relatively low and weighing quite a lot), but that has nothing to do with you surviving if it does roll over. Do some reading about NHTSA testing.

The Solstice received a 4 of 5 star NHTSA crash test rating which is fine for a convertible, but is lower than virtually every major-maker sedan on the market today or during the production years of the Solstice.

The IIHS has a much stricter set of criteria for crash testing than the NHTSA, which is why high IIHS ratings are harder to obtain. Obviously the IIHS did not rate the car because they did not test it, not sure why you would feel the need to make this distinction.

My point is not that the Solstice is dangerous for a convertible sports car. It isn't more dangerous than the Miatta, for example. My point is that its dangerous for kids with no sense of responsibility, compared to more reasonable alternatives like an Accord or Corolla. You know, 4-door sedans that have things like side airbags, a roof and far less ability to propel you to dangerous speeds quickly.

The idea that there are "multiple documented instances" of people walking away from Solstice crashes is absolutely, 100% irrelevant. There are documented instances of people falling out of airplanes and walking away without injury. That is called anecdotal evidence, and insurance companies care about it about as much as they care about our forum posts.

These cars are not stable in corners unless you have added chassis bracing such as the z0k package, Venom Brace, Backbone, etc. Its absurd to claim that the base car or GXP is stable in corners when it clearly is not in all situations.

Its stable for corners in daily driving. Its stable for bends taken at the appropriate speed. However, once you kick the rear end out a bit (which you WILL do if you are a kid who thinks he's invincible) it becomes unstable rather quickly and it can get away from you.

Of course I have personal experience. I drive the car, just like you. I can feel the chassis twisting in the corners. And if you don't have any front/rear bracing and backbone, then you can feel it too.

These cars are successful in competition because they brace the hell out of them, install splitters etc. I love this car. Its very well-designed and can be made into a hell of a race car, but its completely unsafe for young drivers.

I can't believe I'm getting pushback on this. Do you think its safer to drive a sedan with 20 airbags and a reinforced roof that has a 0-60 time of 12 seconds? Or a convertible without side airbags and a 0-60 time of 5.5? Talking safety here. Its a no-freaking-brainer.

Fully agree with Rob on the safety comment push-back. May not be the safest car ever. But certainly safe enough. There used to be a comprehensive video of crash testing the Sol, which showed how remarkably it absorbed the damage. Unfortunately that video seems to have been removed and all I can find now are a couple of very short crash vids. :(
How safe is "safe enough" when it comes to your family? Because its very easy to demonstrate (as I just did) that almost any sedan on the market is far, far, safer and less expensive than a Sol.
 

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I agree with some of that Seltzer. My middle son which is 4 years younger Got a Nissan Frontier for his first vehicle at 18, then another a year later and another a year later. After his 1st accident, I made him get another truck and after his second, I again made him get the same thing. The olders one got his license at 17 and his 1st car was a hyundai elantra. he drove it for 3 years and then I gave him my mitsubishi outlander and he drove that until I thought he was mature enough to take over the Sol. Since he's been driving which is 8 years, he's been rearended once which was at a red light and that's it. I think 25 is mature enough. what gets me is the 16 and 17 year olds and their dad goes out buys then 380z's and audies and stuff like that. How young is young. I think with 8 years of experience you should be able to handle any sitch but of course must be in your right mind. I drove by and looked at the place of the accident and there are marks on the curb where his 2 right side tires came into contact and then there's tire marks that complete a left circle in the grass.
 

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Wow...TX-been there...feel your pain. It could have been worse on both accounts. Hopefully this is just what was needed to keep him straight.

Seltz- I think your blanket statement that todays youth should not drive a sports car is wrong and your guess as to what happened was not needed.
Are you an insurance guy or an engineer? Do you have kids? Are you a big proponent of FWD? New pickups are less stable in corners than this car even without bracing. You talk about things being irrelevant, but most of your statements are either irrelevant or just plain incorrect.

There is no right car or wrong car for kids IF given the appropriate education and training and maturity. Sure the viper would be a bad choice, but a yugo isnt much better. I believe parents can teach their kids anything. Some kids will crash regardless of vehicle and training. Some will get injured while driving a 94 Volvo. It happens. Kids can't live in a bubble due to parents' fear of injury. Parents need to teach THEIR kids how to properly use all tools; from hammers to automobiles, instead of keeping their kids from them. It sounds like TX is parenting well. Your son is working and paying for his room/board/car expenses. That is better than many. He almost made it to 25 without an accident, I didn't.
 

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How safe is "safe enough" when it comes to your family? Because its very easy to demonstrate (as I just did) that almost any sedan on the market is far, far, safer and less expensive than a Sol.
OK, so if the argument is not to give a 'kid' a sports car? Then absolutely.

But you were implying that the Solstice is an unsafe car, period. That's not true.
 

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Sel,
Thanks for stating your opinion.

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Have a great day and for now lets all step away from this road crater.
You don't get to be dismissive and take the high road at the same time. I was stating facts, not simply unfounded opinions.

Fact: The Solstice has no side airbags.
Fact: The Solstice chassis is prone to torsion, making it lose traction and become unstable in high speed corners without stiffening additions like the factory z0k package. This can be mitigated by a driver with experience and skill (of which youngsters have neither).
Fact: The Solstice received only 4 of 5 stars from the NHTSA, while every family sedan from a major automaker during that period received 5 of 5 stars.
Fact: The NHTSA does not test for passenger protection in the event of a rollover. It tests the propensity (amount of lateral force) of a vehicle to rollover.
Fact: Like most convertibles, the Solstice has no roof or rollbar to protect passengers in the event of a rollover.
Fact: Like all convertibles, passengers are more likely to be ejected from a Solstice than from a closed vehicle. Passengers who are ejected from a vehicle in an accident are far more likely to be killed than passengers who remain inside the vehicle.

Ergo: A Solstice is a far more dangerous option than a family sedan. Its not more dangerous than other cars in its class, nor did I ever claim it was so.

I'm not bashing the Solstice. Its my daily driver and I love it. But I would not let my 19-year-old cousin behind the wheel, because I love her and I love my car.
 

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But I would not let my 19-year-old cousin behind the wheel, because I love her and I love my car.
You can't just lump everyone under 25 into one category of deviant. I''ve had my sol since I was 19 and turboed it last year bringing the power to well above stock. Its a base model with no traction control or esc. I've never been in an accident and always wear my safety belt. I drive the car like someone should drive a sports car. I get up on it, take corners swiftly, etc. Am I a young punk in a fast car? Don't judge all by the actions of the few. And get the whole story first. So how old are you then seltz?

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How safe is "safe enough" when it comes to your family? Because its very easy to demonstrate (as I just did) that almost any sedan on the market is far, far, safer and less expensive than a Sol.

Sorry to say but if YOU are so down on these Cars "Why DO you even Own one " If it was so da&n unsafe I think it should be sold with warning Label , ( Not to be driven by Teen-Agers or Young Adults )
 
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