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The GM spokesman on stage at the NAIAS today said the rear window on the Solstice was reinforced acrylic. I thought it was already confirmed the rear window was glass?
He also said the convertible top was inside the black show car but he was not allowed to pop the hood to let you see it.
 

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GreatWhiteNorth said:
The GM spokesman on stage at the NAIAS today said the rear window on the Solstice was reinforced acrylic. I thought it was already confirmed the rear window was glass?
He also said the convertible top was inside the black show car but he was not allowed to pop the hood to let you see it.
Hmmm. If that's true, that means that there couldn't be electric defrost wires in the rear window (could there??)..
I wonder how they keep frost and condensation of the rear window if it's not glass?
 

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All other indecations have been towards glass. I going to guess the 'bot on stage just was not programed right. I really hope he is wrong. Plastic would suck. I do believe him about the black car having a top though, I'll bet it does.
 

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Not another reason........... :devil
 

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RODEO said:
Not another reason........... :devil

mceb said:
Reason for what?
Kinda of a joke............ it just seems the latest series of news on the Solstice has been less than encouraging (i.e. trunk, trunk access with top up, top functionality), then there was the thread about the clamshell trunk coming off in the wind if it didn't get closed correctly. That's when I started thinking we need more GOOD info now more than ever, "not another reason" to b*tch about this design.

Of course, l in good fun... since a lot of this is still speculation. But, it would be good to have more on the preformance end to get our minds off of the other things :thumbs
 

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Good news, for me anyway, is the car show in Houston started last night and there's 'spose to be both a Solstice and a Sky! After a year of lusting after one or the other, I have yet to see either in the flesh! I imagine the first time is usually memorable.
Bad news is I have to work and there's no way I can go till Tuesday evening. At which time I'll get to listen to the pretty miss-information 'bot and after which report back what's being dispensed.
 

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DreamerDave said:
Good news, for me anyway, is the car show in Houston started last night and there's 'spose to be both a Solstice and a Sky! After a year of lusting after one or the other, I have yet to see either in the flesh! I imagine the first time is usually memorable.
Bad news is I have to work and there's no way I can go till Tuesday evening. At which time I'll get to listen to the pretty miss-information 'bot and after which report back what's being dispensed.
Have fun Dave, much better in person.
 

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He also boasted several times the top could be retracted in 15 seconds. I asked him to show me but he declined. Too bad I didn't ask him to explain the steps needed to retract the top in 15 seconds.
 

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Step One: undo latches on windshield header
Step Two: put car in gear
Step Three: push gas and let out clutch
Step Four: Continue shifting gears as you accelerate
Top will retract in less than 15 seconds! :jester
 

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Rule one of autoshows, do NOT trust what the talking head on stage has to say about any car! They make stuff up all the time if they don't really know the answers, or cannot give the answers. The rear windows are confirmed glass. Reinforced acrylic? They wanted to do something like that for the Z06 Corvette, but used glass instead because the stuff scratched and discolored too easily.
 

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Reinforced acrylic? They wanted to do something like that for the Z06 Corvette, but used glass instead because the stuff scratched and discolored too easily.
Yeah, but it could be a way that they coulld save a nickle to get to $20k. On a 50+K Vette people would bitch, but on a $20k roadster people could say, "Well, it is only 20k.". Hopefully if they do go this route, they will have a rear window defrost option. That would force them to offer a glass rear window option. I bet just about everyone here would opt for the glass. Only the track guys would be into the plastic.
 

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Yes.. many many times I stopped by the display at the NAIAS and asked the same questions (had others ask the same questions), and asked many of the "product specialists" from Pontiac as well. I'm not too convinced on the answers, but this was the overwhelming consensus:

1) The back window is plastic, not glass.

2) The top can be raised / lowered in 15 seconds - 20 seconds

3) The show car does indeed have a production roof

4) The pictures of the trunk from the SLC show are the same as the trunk in the show car at NAIAS, though they wouldn't open the trunk to confirm. (Side note: nobody seemed concerned that there was a photo of the trunk at all)

5) When asked if you could raise / lower the roof without getting out of the car, I was told, "mmm... you might be able to, but you have to latch the sides, and close the trunk anyway" which I took to be the artsy-fartsy acronym I can't remember.

6) When asked "how can it be so quick", the answer was the artsy-fartsy wings "pop" / "release" from the trunk automatically when you use the key-fob. This would indicate that RKE (remote keyless entry) would be standard, then that would indicate that power locks were standard. Not sure that was the general thought on here though (power doors standard). I asked about an inside trunk release button and got a strange look for an answer... maybe there isn't one then.

7) When asked, how do you access the trunk with the top up, I was refereed to the "automatic" release of the wings... I asked, where do you put the wings since they hang over the trunk. Answer was "swing them to the side". I asked "doesn't the rather long antenna get in the way", and I was told... "hmm.. not sure, I've never actually done it, it was just my idea of how you would".

I should post my NAIAS pictures in the gallery too... but saw this thread and wanted to share what I was told at least. Again, this came from people working at the autoshow, and should not be taken as the full truth.
 

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rlhammon said:
1) The back window is plastic, not glass.
This better not be true GM :mad

C&D had it pegged as glass in their test mule article from last spring...hope nothing has changed...

The joy of other Solstice elements, however, remains to be seen. For example, the convertible top will need considerable work to make it a user-friendly device. It's distinguished by a flat-glass rear window and flying buttresses snugged down atop the teardrop fairings that extend behind the headrests...
Also Sky's specs say glass (hope there would be one top for both)...

Cloth convertible top with defroster-equipped glass rear window
 

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mceb said:
This better not be true GM :mad
Now you should get my "not another reason.... :mad " comment!
 

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I don't understand how a glass defroster window would not at least be an option. Pretty much a necessity in the north. I would be very surprised to see the Sky come out without a glass rear window, and I think that it would have a trickle-down effect for the Solstice. Seriously, whatever money they thought they'd be saving from using plastic with a Solstice and glass with a Sky would be lost from having two seperate construction processes. It would be rather un-economical for GM to do it that way... and displeasing for the customers. Of course, they've done dumber things....
 

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I don't understand how a glass defroster window would not at least be an option. Pretty much a necessity in the north. I would be very surprised to see the Sky come out without a glass rear window, and I think that it would have a trickle-down effect for the Solstice. Seriously, whatever money they thought they'd be saving from using plastic with a Solstice and glass with a Sky would be lost from having two seperate construction processes. It would be rather un-economical for GM to do it that way... and displeasing for the customers. Of course, they've done dumber things....
I agree with you that a rear window defrost system is not a nice-to-have up north - it's a must-have..... :agree
BTW, both the BMW Z3 and the pre-2004 Boxster had plastic rear windows. I wonder what kind of defrost system they had?...:confused
 

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rlhammon said:
7) When asked, how do you access the trunk with the top up, I was refereed to the "automatic" release of the wings... I asked, where do you put the wings since they hang over the trunk. Answer was "swing them to the side". I asked "doesn't the rather long antenna get in the way", and I was told... "hmm.. not sure, I've never actually done it, it was just my idea of how you would".
Hmmm, actually this could make a lot of sense. The wings might be spring loaded. When they're released automaticlly by the key FOB they themselves automatically fold back in against the back of the roof. This would permit for you to hit one button, they disconnect, fold in, and then you would just have to lift the trunk and put the roof down into the trunk and close it. This doesn't make putting the trunk up any easier, but it definetely makes putting it down quicker. Unless part of the putting the roof up process also causes the wings to be forced out too, but more then likely not if they're spring loaded to come back in.
 

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Have all but confirmed the top operation is similar to expected:

http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10778&postcount=28

Total time estimate - somewhere between 30 seconds to a minute. You DO have to get out of the car to do it. Or so I hear... :D

To get to trunk with top up, just "pop" trunk, the AFBTS's pop, and you're in. The AFBTS's apparently retract on a "hinge axis" parallel to the rear GLASS. When released, they supposedly retract to the plane of the rear GLASS. You have to go to the passenger side to re-latch the AFBTS.

Yes, that's right. Glass. Mostly silica. Capable of accepting a rear defroster. Good ol' clear GLASS.

It is a shame the product "specialists" are so misinformed, and put in such positions as they have to make stuff up.

Why couldn't they even just have a simple animation of how to operate the top - I think GM is ticking off more folks than helping by "hiding" aspects while dangling this car in front of everyone...
 
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