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A dealer in the San Diego area (Miramar Pontiac) keeps having people back out of their orders. The cars are on the lot ready to go. They called me to try to get me to buy the car which I would of done in a heart beat. The only problem is they are adding a $5000 addendum to the price of the car. I told him to take a hike and he laughed saying that it was my loss and I would never get one at MSRP from any dealer. Beware!!!! The sad part is people are actually paying the extra money for the car.
 

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why is it sad that people are paying more? its their money not yours, and if they want one now it may be worth it to them. i personaly have always said that i am waiting untill i can get one at msrp.
 

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Supply and Demand.......

Sad part is, people in California will pay $5,000 above MSRP. Has happened on all the other hot new cars of previous years (Audi TT, Mini Cooper, etc....) :cuss:
 

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Sad part is, people in California will pay $5,000 above MSRP. Has happened on all the other hot new cars of previous years (Audi TT, Mini Cooper, etc....) :cuss:

The sad part is I have posted several cars at MSRP or $1K over in So Cal they could have purchased because someone backed out. The Dealer in San Bernardino seems happy to sell them at MSRP.
 

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whats sad is the dealers lobbied Congress to stop manufacturers from selling direct to the public like other countries. I thought it was refreshing in Tokyo when you walk in off the street to a dealership, you are dealing directly with Nissan / Toyota, not some bottom feeding middleman who offers no value to the transaction.

whats even sadder is the people Pontiac targetted this car at advertise MSRP 19,995 incls destination, and they walk into the dealership only to find out they are going to be paying closer to 30k. Long term Pontiac is better off having dealers stick to their MSRP.

US Consumers routinely rate their dealership new car buying experience as awful. Few companies like Saturn and Lexus make the buying experience enjoyable and that type of treatment will reward car makers in the long run.
 

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why is it sad that people are paying more? ...
I'll tell you why its sad - everytime someone pays MSRP+, it drives the market up. Making good dealers (that understand this speculative buying is only short term :yesnod: ) look like saps. The MSRP+ dealers make short term money - but end up pissing off a lot of people and turning potential Pontiac fans away from the brand - long term!

GM / Pontiac understands these facts - which is why the have URGED their dealers to sell at MSRP :nono: . We've already seen a number of forum members who paid $3k+ and already have buyers remorse.

How many people that waited 6-months and paid a $3-5k premium today are going to feel good about it a year from now if you can pick one up on a lot for MSRP?
 

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". I thought it was refreshing in Tokyo when you walk in off the street to a dealership, you are dealing directly with Nissan / Toyota, not some bottom feeding middleman who offers no value to the transaction."
The consumer gains nothing by dealing with a factory. The factory wants to ensure that there isn't a dealership more interested in helping their customers than in helping the factory. They also have no magic way to rent a building and hire salesmen and mechanics without cost to the buyer. It's going to be the same overhead costs, regardless. Of course, buying a car in Tokyo is hardly the joyous pleasure you seem to imagine. First , you have to prove that you have a parking space for the car, then you need to show ... etc. etc.
 

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If that dealer is asking $5K, he's beyond the market prices, which have
softened somewhat, judging by EBAY. The current over MSRP prices seem to be running about $2-4K.
 

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TOY4TWO said:
US Consumers routinely rate their dealership new car buying experience as awful.
In fact in the latest Harris Interative New Car Buyers Poll as part of the Automotive Retailing Today Project done in June-July of 2004, 75% of the people said that in general the new car purchasing experience is positive today. 81% said their own buying experience was positive. 91% where satisfied with the dealership they purchased from.
 

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...yes, but

I got mine at MSRP. Of course I had to wait six months for it.
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Small Dealer said:
In fact in the latest Harris Interative New Car Buyers Poll as part of the Automotive Retailing Today Project done in June-July of 2004, 75% of the people said that in general the new car purchasing experience is positive today. 81% said their own buying experience was positive. 91% where satisfied with the dealership they purchased from.
Thats the complete opposite of the polls I read on ClarkHoward.com.
 

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Ahhhh, california Real Estate Equity, it props up the global economy...for now.... :brentil:
 

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TOY4TWO said:
Thats the complete opposite of the polls I read on ClarkHoward.com.

No its not. Can find it from that site. Just have to work at it.
 

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i'm waiting

Until I can get a dealer ot honor my GM Family Discount, I'm not buying one out of principle.

I don't need the car, and I have patience.
 

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...good luck with that

GHM73 said:
Until I can get a dealer ot honor my GM Family Discount, I'm not buying one out of principle.

I don't need the car, and I have patience.
The car seems to be growing in popularity. I'm just glad I was able to get it at MSRP, and that MSRP is probably at the lowest it's ever going to be.
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Demand WILL die down, and you will see them on lots, waiting to be bought... eventually. Probably not till at LEAST this time next year. They WILL also honor the GMS price.. eventually.

Like I said, I can wait.
 

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Demand WILL die down, and you will see them on lots, waiting to be bought... eventually. Probably not till at LEAST this time next year. They WILL also honor the GMS price.. eventually.

Like I said, I can wait.
I think it will be much longer than that. There are already dealers that have accepted orders that fall into next years allocation.
 

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I think it will be much longer than that. There are already dealers that have accepted orders that fall into next years allocation.
True, but we've already seen buyers that were lined up drop out. Remember, this car has inconveniences that may not play well with the general popuplation. Then again, it is a small number being produced. We'll have to wait and see, but I believe they will be available on lots next year (if they can eventually produce them in a timely fashion :brentil: )
 
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