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What do you guys think? Is all the hype about nothing, will the Solstice be quickly forgotten as another failed GM experiement?

I admit, I love the look, but am concerned about quality
 

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jasonritledge said:
What do you guys think? Is all the hype about nothing, will the Solstice be quickly forgotten as another failed GM experiement?

I admit, I love the look, but am concerned about quality
What exactly concerns you about quality? GM is a very different company in 2005 than it was in 1983, and the Solstice was brought to production under very different circumstances with very different priorities and attention than the Fiero was in 1983.

To answer the simple other questions. The hype is well deserved. The Solstice is going to be a huge hit. It will not be seen as a failed experiment, but rather the turning point in how GM designs, engineers, and brings a car to production.

Besides the Fiero was not really a failed experiment either. The car was left for dead by a skeptical GM management team that wanted it dead. However, GM has been building Saturns for 15 years based on things they learned from doing the Fiero.
 

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Ff88, I woul think by now you'd have a prepared response to this question, something in your clipboard you could just copy/paste in as the question comes up :lol: Maybe that's an idea for the future :cool:

How many times do you reckon this same question has been posted on this forum?
 

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Ff88, I woul think by now you'd have a prepared response to this question, something in your clipboard you could just copy/paste in as the question comes up :lol: Maybe that's an idea for the future :cool:

How many times do you reckon this same question has been posted on this forum?
I have a good response somewhere on the forum dealing with the differences in the developmental process between the two cars, and why that is significant in different they will turn out. However, I just too lazy to search for it right now. :lol: If the thread ends up warranting it, I'll either find it or just type it out again!

It comes up so much because the Solstice is attracting a lot of Fiero enthusiats.

GM had commissioned a number of Fiero roadsters back in the day too, one as early as 1984. They just decided never to build it. Considering the roadster market took off in 1989 when the Miata was introduced, GM's decision not to make the convertable Fiero looks to me like their biggest mistake with the Fiero. So in that respect, maybe the Solstice is just the Fiero that never was.




The other twist of irony is that my Fiero (really any Fiero that has been in the family) has been more reliable than any other GM vehicle I, or my family have owned since the 80's. Maybe that is why GM earned such a lousy reputation for quality.
 

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jasonritledge said:
What do you guys think? Is all the hype about nothing, will the Solstice be quickly forgotten as another failed GM experiement?

I admit, I love the look, but am concerned about quality
The Solstice is going to be a blockbuster grand-slam hit. Whatever doomed the Fiero will be completely absent in the Sosltice experience. GM has its act together and the Sol is going to be a great car, until they design the "simple, pure fun" that Lutz demanded, out of it.

For the 1st Generation and maybe the 2nd (with the bigger trunk), it is going to be the "must have" sports car to own and that it is American only serves to heighten the experience.
 

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Fformula88 said:
I have a good response somewhere on the forum dealing with the differences in the developmental process between the two cars, and why that is significant in different they will turn out. However, I just too lazy to search for it right now. :lol: If the thread ends up warranting it, I'll either find it or just type it out again!
You might want to bookmark that one if you find it, it'll save you time down the road :lol:

From what I've read here about the Fiero over the year plus I've been here, the Fiero gets a very bad rap. This happens to lots of cars, like how the mita is called a "chick car", just moronic stuff that people for some reason like to repeat. The Fiero had it's problems for sure, but it's overblown by far, at least that's what I've been reading for some time!
 

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jimbo said:
the 2nd (with the bigger trunk)
Speculation, or news that I've missed?
 

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jasonritledge said:
What do you guys think? Is all the hype about nothing, will the Solstice be quickly forgotten as another failed GM experiement?

I admit, I love the look, but am concerned about quality
Good God, man! Snap out of it!

Seriously, Fformula88 is right. Heck, even my 1993 Z28 isn't half bad as far as build quality is concerned, and it's a Camaro.
 

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The Solstice is going to be a blockbuster grand-slam hit.
Unfortunately so was the Fiero initially! They sold over 25,000 more Fieros in it's first model year than they had anticipated (total sold was over 100,000)! That difference is more than the total number of Solstice's that will even be made! :eek:

Of the many factors that influenced the fall of the Fiero, one of the more important was it's quality reputation. Part of that bad reputation was gained from letting the car go to production, and into the hands of owners before all of the bugs were worked out of the car. So early build cars had a bunch of little build quality problems, and the car was forever known as "junk."

Then people wonder why Pontiac doesn't just release the Solstice now, and fix all the problems on the fly, instead of holding back production while they work the issues out. :rolleyes:
 

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Fformula88 said:
Unfortunately so was the Fiero initially! They sold over 25,000 more Fieros in it's first model year than they had anticipated (total sold was over 100,000)! That difference is more than the total number of Solstice's that will even be made! :eek:
Scary thought, from grand slam, to slammed for life :brentil:
 

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Scary thought, from grand slam, to slammed for life :brentil:
There is a lot of irony in the details. Some of what killed the Fiero was highly political at GM. The Fiero made GM a profit every year. So it wasn't a money loser for them. In its 5th model year (1988) they sold only 26,000 Fieros. That looks bad compared to the 100,000 first year sales, but considering that is still more than the Solstice's projected sales it doesn't look as bad.
 

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Fformula88 said:
Considering the roadster market took off in 1989 when the Miata was introduced, GM's decision not to make the convertible Fiero looks to me like their biggest mistake with the Fiero.
There is much more to being a success in the Roadster market than just being a two seat convertible.

A few modern two seaters that didn't make it:

Mercury Capri
Honda Del Sol
Toyota MR2 Spyder
 

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Fformula88 said:
Unfortunately so was the Fiero initially!
Oh, don't you know it! I wanted a Fiero so badly that I had 2 copies of every Magazine that did a review or road test - one copy to drool on and one to put away and save.

Then I read about how bad the initial cars were. Then the restyled the front end in a way I didn't like. Then I lost interest and next thing you know, they dropped the mode. I felt so betrayed that the 1st dream car I found since my 1968 Mustang GT/CS was not worth owning.
 

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There is much more to being a success in the Roadster market than just being a two seat convertible.

A few modern two seaters that didn't make it:

Mercury Capri
Honda Del Sol
Toyota MR2 Spyder
Sure there is more. However, we will never know whether the Fiero would have made it or not. It was RWD unlike the Del Sol, had trunk space unlike the MR2 Spyder. Not sure what the biggest knock was on the Capri.

The 1990 redesign was a knockout looker too. It certainly would have turned heads!

Although these are not the best pictures of the 1990 prototype, they are the best I could find quickly... http://www.michiganfieroclub.com/photos/VEC/90/90.html

(yes, that is a DOHC V6 under the hood, er, trunk too!)
 

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Fformula88 said:
Not sure what the biggest knock was on the Capri.
Oh, oh, oh, mista Kotta mista Kotta! I know that one, because it was built by Ford right? LOL Sorry Ford fans, cheap shot I know.

BTW, Ff what was the msrp on the Fiero in 84 and then at it's demise. I loved it when it came out, though that didn't last too long. I do still like the final GT models, but I remember them being significantly higher priced then the car started at or am I wrong?
 

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Sure there is more. However, we will never know whether the Fiero would have made it or not. It was RWD unlike the Del Sol, had trunk space unlike the MR2 Spyder. Not sure what the biggest knock was on the Capri.

The 1990 redesign was a knockout looker too. It certainly would have turned heads!

Although these are not the best pictures of the 1990 prototype, they are the best I could find quickly... http://www.michiganfieroclub.com/photos/VEC/90/90.html

(yes, that is a DOHC V6 under the hood, er, trunk too!)
That looks like a Ford Probe "got jiggy" with a 240sx...
 

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That looks like a Ford Probe "got jiggy" with a 240sx...
That is what I thought at first, then I did a second look and realized that it looks just like a Firebird. Why have two cars that look so similar in the product line?

I thought about a Fiero, but there was always that rumor of a "V8 next year" so I waited. No V8 and then no Fiero. Bought a 89 Honda CRX instead.

The rumors and desire for a larger engine is what scares me about the Solstice. No matter what size engine GM puts in there cars, the American public always thinks that they are just holding back on the "real" engine.
 

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It was the era of poorly built cars . . .

Anyone who has watched the progression of American built cars over the past 40 years knows that at the time the Fiero was built, most American cars were poorly built, which gave rise to the influx of the Japanese cars which, at the time, were better built.

This is the next century, bucko, wake up and smell the engineering. American cars as good as any built on the planet right now (with the possble exception of Toyota and Lexus), and you can look forward to the Solstice as being a major hit in not only the US market, but it will be hot around the world within 24 months, if they elect to export it (see Opel).

If you fear the quality, then wait and miss the years of driving fun in this car. As for me and my family, we will get one of the first 1000 and have a ball. :) :) :) :) :) :)
 

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And how many of you looked at the Buick Reatta

and thought "I'll wait for the convertible" or "I'll wait for the V8 version"

Oops, just did a google search and it looks like GM did come out with a convertible. Never knew that. Too little to late, I guess.
 
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